Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

[Newtons Bit]

Scale everything up to full size . what happens then ?

Spaghetti can't scale up like that.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Yes,,,very iteresting. Would you care to answer the same question I asked Gamelon regarding the spaghetti model ?

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This fails the scale test. The columns can survive without the floors in place. This is not true in reality. The floors were required to brace the floor trusses which braced the columns.

I won't be upset or surprised if you don't. lol

Don't need to... because A) your rationale behind the model is flatly irrelevant and B) it fails... well you get the idea.

 

[bill smith]

Spaghetti can't scale up like that.

Ah well.I can't argue about that not knowing enough about the difference the scale might make, I am happy enogh to stick with he full size WTC1 anyway. The spaghetti model is useful for making a point nevertheless.

 

[bill smith]

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Don't need to... because A) your rationale behind the model is flatly irrelevant and B) it fails... well you get the idea.

You should say 'thank you kindly' to Newton's Bit.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Ah well.I can't argue about that not knowing enough about the difference the scale might make, I am happy enogh to stick with he full size WTC1 anyway. The spaghetti model is useful for making a point nevertheless.

It's not that you don't know enough about scale, it's that you don't know enough about mechanics of materials.

 

[Newtons Bit]

You should say 'thank you kindly' to Newton's Bit.

You should kindly STFU.

 

[bill smith]

It's not that you don't know enough about scale, it's that you don't know enough about mechanics of materials.

It's not necessary to be degreed engineer to have a fair idea how materials will respond under different stresses. Given that, and the gross anomalies of 9/11 I am as able as any other to isolate faults in the official story. If you don't think so you ae free to educate me as we go along. Or ignore me at your discretion.

 

[newton3376]

Take 240 long spaghetti sticks to act as as the perimeter columns with an aditional 47 x 4 sticks to represent the stronger core spaced in a rectangle to cover about 60% of the centre of the structure.

Spaghetti?

Then you have 110 x compressed glue and superfine sugar floors made to scale with holes drilled to correspond to the column locations.

Compressed glue?
Superfine sugar?

Then each floor is carefully slid down over he spaghetti columns and glued into position corresponding to the 110 floors of the WTC Towers. Allow to dry. Then anchor the column bases in a solid surface. Allow to dry.

Allow to dry?

This sounds more like a recipe than an engineering model that is supposed to represent a scaled version of a BUILDING made out of steel, concrete, etc.

Finally, lift up the top (and lightest) 10% (C) of the model and drop it say 6'' onto the lower 90% (A).

What about spaghetti sauce? No noodle-based model is complete without some sauce and some mushrooms and Italian sausage...

YOU ARE A MORON

 

[bill smith]

You should kindly STFU.

You sound like George Bush now. lol

 

[bill smith]

Spaghetti?



Compressed glue?
Superfine sugar?



Allow to dry?

This sounds more like a recipe than an engineering model that is supposed to represent a scaled version of a BUILDING made out of steel, concrete, etc.



What about spaghetti sauce? No noodle-based model is complete without some sauce and some mushrooms and Italian sausage...

YOU ARE A MORON

Well you could only eat if the model collapsed and freed up the spaghetti. I sincerely think in this case you should consider a takeaway Chinese or something other than spaghetti. Because the model will not collapse.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Because the model will not collapse.

And the moral of this story: Bill thinks this models a building and despite repeated corrections of his factual errors he chugs forward blissfully careless of his own cataclysmic ignorance. I think there's a term that is well suited to describing individuals who do this knowingly.

 

[triforcharity]

Bill,

You also thought that miles upon miles of core columns just vanished, but I pointed them out to you with many detailed photos and explanations. Turns out, you were proven wrong. Aren't you an engineer Bill?? I think you claim to be. Am I wrong?? If in fact you do claim to be, than you got owned by a small town fireman.

Pretty sad eh??

 

[bill smith]

Bill,

You also thought that miles upon miles of core columns just vanished, but I pointed them out to you with many detailed photos and explanations. Turns out, you were proven wrong. Aren't you an engineer Bill?? I think you claim to be. Am I wrong?? If in fact you do claim to be, than you got owned by a small town fireman.

Pretty sad eh??

I still say that I think MILES of core columns are missing. I will get to that when I am in the mood again. I saw no explanation or photo from you or anyone else that has changed my position yet.

 

[triforcharity]

Please go ASAP to that thread, and look at my posts. They are there, you just have to understand what they are.

 

[Gamolon]

Well it strikes me that the centre dowel would remain standing. The same would apply for other upstanding elements.

What if I used some thread to tie the weights to the outside dowels by cutting a tiny notch in the outside of the perimeter dowels and looping the
thread into that notch. Then drill a hole through the edge of the weight and looped the thread through there and tied it.

Do you think the collapsing weights could pull some of the dowels down with themsleves if the thread somehow held in a couple of spots?

 

[Newtons Bit]

Ah well.I can't argue about that not knowing enough about the difference the scale might make, I am happy enogh to stick with he full size WTC1 anyway. The spaghetti model is useful for making a point nevertheless.

Well, the full sized WTC collapsed, and there's no evidence of any sort of explosive. Which should lead us to believe... what, exactly?

 

[triforcharity]

One day, when I am REALLY bored, I might just do what Bill has asked me to do. If I do, I will post it here announcing Breaking news.

 

[bill smith]

Well, the full sized WTC collapsed, and there's no evidence of any sort of explosive. Which should lead us to believe... what, exactly?

Well I would say that we have empirical proof of nanothermite in the form of an 8-man 2-year peer eviewed scientific study . Of course nanothermite being so versatile it can be used as an incendiary compound OR as an explosive accordng to need. Then we have hundreds of reports of explosions- with over a hundred coming from firefighters alone. I could go on and on and on.....

 

[bill smith]

What if I used some thread to tie the weights to the outside dowels by cutting a tiny notch in the outside of the perimeter dowels and looping the
thread into that notch. Then drill a hole through the edge of the weight and looped the thread through there and tied it.

Do you think the collapsing weights could pull some of the dowels down with themsleves if the thread somehow held in a couple of spots?

You should look for posts by 'Psikeyhackr'. He made a few videos using dowels and so on. you might get some ideas.

 

[Gamolon]

I still say that I think MILES of core columns are missing. I will get to that when I am in the mood again. I saw no explanation or photo from you or anyone else that has changed my position yet.

Here's another real world example that proves your above nonsense wrong.

Let's get 320 playing cards and build a cardhouse. We'll use 1/2" diameter x 6" long wooden dowels (I like dowels ) as the vertical supports. We'll use 16 cards next to each other in a 4x4 row for each floor and layed across the dowels. We'll use one dowel at each card corner and one dowel where the corners touch the other cards for a total of 25 dowels per floor. We'll keep building this tower for 20 floors (10 feet total, 9 feet above ground when the structure is built in the hole discussed in the next paragraph).

We'll dig a hole 1 foot deep and the same width/length as the outside perimeter of the playing card tower above.

We'll build the above tower in the hole we dug.

When finished, we start pulling the first level of vertical dowels one by one until the tower collapses.

Then we take a photo from above of the pile.

Per your claim, we should SEE and be able to count ALL 500 dowels used to build our tower in the "aerial photo we just took.

Is this correct Bill?