Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

[Heiwa]

I'm sure of this. You haven't been able to convince anyone here, anyone who has knowledge in the field of structural engineering anyway, that you're correct in your assessment of the collapse of the WTC towers. Either there's a serious error in your position, or you're wholly incapable of communicating your position in a way that others might understand it. To put it simply, either you're a crappy communicator, or you're just plain wrong.

So if you believe you're correct, and it appears you do believe that, you should go take some language skills courses and learn how to communicate your ideas in a way that is understandable to other people. If that's not the case, and if you're just plain wrong, the likely scenario given the direction of the discussion and the evidence you've provided (or not), you should just STFU.

Either way, continuing to babble what seems to be an ongoing stream of nonsense clearly isn't helping to win you any converts. Nor is it providing any advantage to you or to the two or three obviously ignorant Truthers who seem willing to rally behind you on this issue. Frankly it makes you all look like idiots.

You are sure? Pls, provide evidence that a structural one-way Crush down is possible! That will settle the matter.

Study http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist3.htm , http://heiwaco.tripod.com/funnym.htm , http://heiwaco.tripod.com/mac5.htm for tips on communication.

 

[FineWine]

Thanks for asking! Imagine that twenty pizza boxes fall on ONE pizza box and head for the next pizza box below (and 90 others). What stops them? Well, it seems the ONE pizza box is up to the job! No crush! And twenty pizza boxes just bounce.

Thus, the falling mass of 20 pizza boxes remains constant.

Please explain how ONE pizza box can stop 20 similar boxes. It is a simple question and the answer will make you understand Why a one-way Crush down is not possible!

PS - check what force the ONE pizza box applies on the 20 boxes falling down.

Please stop making a complete fool of yourself. Pizza boxes are very light. Twenty collapsing floors weigh thousands of tons. The real engineers have laughed you off the forum for this sort of nonsense. Nobody could possibly be an engineer and say the incredible things you say. I'm trying to give you a chance to regain a tiny bit of credibility.

Start over. Twenty floors, weighing many thousands of tons, collapse and crush the next floor. Now, that floor is falling with the original ones. Is the collapsing mass now heavier or, through magic, lighter?

Your pizza box analogy is ridiculous. It is embarrassing that you continue to peddle it after it has been totally destroyed. Stop using it.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Thanks for asking! Imagine that twenty pizza boxes fall on ONE pizza box and head for the next pizza box below (and 90 others). What stops them? Well, it seems the ONE pizza box is up to the job! No crush! And twenty pizza boxes just bounce.

Thus, the falling mass of 20 pizza boxes remains constant.

Please explain how ONE pizza box can stop 20 similar boxes. It is a simple question and the answer will make you understand Why a one-way Crush down is not possible!

PS - check what force the ONE pizza box applies on the 20 boxes falling down.

Each pizza box is a one piece structure. It's virtually impossible to gain any credibility using such a poor scaling model.

 

[bill smith]

Please stop making a complete fool of yourself. Pizza boxes are very light. Twenty collapsing floors weigh thousands of tons. The real engineers have laughed you off the forum for this sort of nonsense. Nobody could possibly be an engineer and say the incredible things you say. I'm trying to give you a chance to regain a tiny bit of credibility.

Start over. Twenty floors, weighing many thousands of tons, collapse and crush the next floor. Now, that floor is falling with the original ones. Is the collapsing mass now heavier or, through magic, lighter?

Your pizza box analogy is ridiculous. It is embarrassing that you continue to peddle it after it has been totally destroyed. Stop using it.

If you were fairminded you would not imply that Heiwa is a not a real engineer. In fact, as you probably know he is a fully degreed Naval architect and pecialist in structural damage analysis. He has more than 40 years of practical experience under his belt and has an international reputation even having advised the UN. He is well qualified make the judgements he makes on the collapse of the Towers from a structural damage analyst's point of view. He is also a published author.

 

[FineWine]

If you were fairminded you would not imply that Heiwa is a not a real engineer. In fact, as you probably know he is a fully degreed Naval architect and pecialist in structural damage analysis. He has more than 40 years of practical experience under his belt and has an international reputation even having advised the UN. He is well qualified make he judgements he makes on the collapse of the Towers from a structural damage analyst's point of view. He is also a publishd author.

He has shown that he is incapable of learning from people who know much more than he does, and more importantly, people who conceptualize problems much better than he does. He knows nothing about buildings. He has absurdly compared two ships colliding on a horizontal plane with a building falling down. He is unqualified to make judgments on the collapse of the towers.
The nonsense he spouts is rejected by every real engineer here. NIST, FEMA, Purdue, and Berkeley don't even recognize his existence. Your slavish devotion to your irrational cause compels you adopt a wrong-headed fraud as your idol.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

If you were fairminded you would not imply that Heiwa is a not a real engineer. In fact, as you probably know he is a fully degreed Naval architect and pecialist in structural damage analysis. He has more than 40 years of practical experience under his belt and has an international reputation even having advised the UN.

Bill, we could all care less what industry he works in, or how much experience he has. We're interested in the content, and it's accuracy that puts his money where his mouth is. Heiwa could very be an engineer but his posts suggest that he's severely incompetent in his work, dangerously incompetent if he's casting aside such risks in practice.

He is well qualified make he judgements he makes on the collapse of the Towers

Job titles and boasts of experience do not replace the demonstration of that knowledge. Unless Heiwa can show he's competent and learn to address competent engineering arguments, his job title is worthless. You seem to value his authority, competent people are more concerned with his ability to demonstrate it, something Heiwa has clearly failed to establish.

 

[KreeL]

It takes a lot of faith to believe that a one-way crush down is possible. Faith of biblical proportions. If it were indeed possible, NIST with their 2 or 3 bazillion scientists would have modeled it by now. Oh, don't think for one minute that they think it's possible, they just need to fool the masses.

The Heiwa Challenge is one of the most compelling pwnages in the history of JREF, and immediately justifies a criminal investigation into what actually transpired on 9/11.

 

[GeeMack]

You are sure? Pls, provide evidence that a structural one-way Crush down is possible! That will settle the matter.

So far you haven't been able to explain your conjecture in such a way that anyone with a reasonable understanding of structural engineering is willing to agree with you. You're either very, very wrong, or a very, very poor communicator. Yes, I'm sure of that.

 

[jhunter1163]

The Heiwa Challenge is one of the most compelling pwnages in the history of JREF, and immediately justifies a criminal investigation into what actually transpired on 9/11.

I should charge you for a new keyboard. This one's now covered with Coke.

 

[FineWine]

It takes a lot of faith to believe that a one-way crush down is possible. Faith of biblical proportions. If it were indeed possible, NIST with their 2 or 3 bazillion scientists would have modeled it by now. Oh, don't think for one minute that they think it's possible, they just need to fool the masses.

The Heiwa Challenge is one of the most compelling pwnages in the history of JREF, and immediately justifies a criminal investigation into what actually transpired on 9/11.

Purdue and Berkeley (Professor Astaneh's team) modeled the collapses. Guess what?--they were almost identical to the actual collapses. The bogus Heiwa challenge is a grotesque garble of basic physics that buries you frauds.

 

[bill smith]

Bill, we could all care less what industry he works in, or how much experience he has. We're interested in the content, and it's accuracy that puts his money where his mouth is. Heiwa could very be an engineer but his posts suggest that he's severely incompetent in his work, dangerously incompetent if he's casting aside such risks in practice.


Job titles and boasts of experience do not replace the demonstration of that knowledge. Unless Heiwa can show he's competent and learn to address competent engineering arguments, his job title is worthless. You seem to value his authority, competent people are more concerned with his ability to demonstrate it, something Heiwa has clearly failed to establish.

Let's just cut to the chase Grizzly. If those scientists you cite were able to tackle heiwa- and a few of them do visit this website- they would have already done so. Just the fact that nobody can take him on in several weeks on the crush down says it all to the fairminded observer. Take teddy from yesterday for instance . I might be inclined to pay more attention if Ray Mackey was to come in for a showdown on the subject but from hat I have seen it's pretty much hit-and-run tactics he uses. A busy man and all that possibly.

For me I believe Heiwa but I am always prepared to change my mind if somebody can prove him wrong by showing examples and giving explanations of previous similar crush downs. It's not too much to ask.

 

[tsig]

It takes a lot of faith to believe that a one-way crush down is possible. Faith of biblical proportions. If it were indeed possible, NIST with their 2 or 3 bazillion scientists would have modeled it by now. Oh, don't think for one minute that they think it's possible, they just need to fool the masses.

The Heiwa Challenge is one of the most compelling pwnages in the history of JREF, and immediately justifies a criminal investigation into what actually transpired on 9/11.

Faith can move mountains why not buildings?

 

[bill smith]

Purdue and Berkeley (Professor Astaneh's team) modeled the collapses. Guess what?--they were almost identical to the actual collapses. The bogus Heiwa challenge is a grotesque garble of basic physics that buries you frauds.

Despite claims of independence Purdue is in deep with the government .

 

[FineWine]

Let's just cut to the chase Grizzly. If those scientists you cite were able to tackle heiwa- and a few of them do visit this website- they would have already done so. Just the fact that nobody can take him on in several weeks on the crush down says it all to the fairminded observer. Take teddy from yesterday for instance . I might be incined to pay more attention if Ray Mackey was to come in for a showdown on the subject but from hat I have seen it's pretty much hit-and-run tactics he uses. A busy man and all that possibly.

For me I believe Hweiwa but I am always prepared to change my mind if somebody can prove him wrong by showing examples and giving explanations of previous similar crush downs. It's not too much to ask.

What planet are you on? We have seen Heiwa get his silly butt handed to him over and over by real engineers who have grown bored with this very stupid topic.

You place your faith in Heiwa because your irrational myths have crippled your brain. He has been proved wrong repeatedly. He can't do any calculations, even the most basic, to support his nonsensical garble of science. When he is backed into a corner by real engineers, he raves incoherently about religion and runs away. With the exception of seriously disturbed delusional types like Ultima and Christopher7, I've never seen, in more than a month since I joined, anybody get beaten so badly as Heiwa gets beaten.

Heiwa wouldn't dream of debating Mackey.

 

[tsig]

It takes a lot of faith to believe that a one-way crush down is possible. Faith of biblical proportions. If it were indeed possible, NIST with their 2 or 3 bazillion scientists would have modeled it by now. Oh, don't think for one minute that they think it's possible, they just need to fool the masses.

The Heiwa Challenge is one of the most compelling pwnages in the history of JREF, and immediately justifies a criminal investigation into what actually transpired on 9/11.

Then you should copy these threads and take them to your local prosecutor. I'm sure that when you tell him you have info from anonymous posters on an internet forum he will jump at the chance to prosecute. (show him some videos and you're sure to convince him).

 

[FineWine]

Despite claims of independence Purdue is in deep with the government .

Hopeless desperation. Making up nonsense won't salvage your myths. Astaneh is a critic of NIST. His team conducted two simulations. He is trying show that the builders of the towers cut corners. One of his simulations showed the performance of the towers if they had been built in strict accordance with existing codes. The other one reflected the actual construction of the towers. Guess what? When the simulation reflects reality, the towers collapsed EXACTLY as they did on 9/11.
You frauds are fond of distorting Astaneh's words. How will you talk your way out of this disaster?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

If those scientists you cite were able to tackle heiwa- and a few of them do visit this website- they would have already done so.

Heiwa's been doing this for a couple of years apparently, and I've seen a number of engineers and architects in this section who have sufficiently demonstrated their credentials in the discussion and confronted him regarding the nature of his claims. He ain't changing his mind and he still prats out incompetent assertions in engineering that are so far into the basic level that a student is able pick it apart. Heiwa demonstrates his incompetence without anyone having to confront him. I honestly pity the people who believe that garbage, but of course you're free to believe whatever you want at the price of having your assertions called out on, and having to support them. In professional practice incompetence is risking not only money but also lives when people rely on the efforts going into maintaining a safe structure go terribly wrong

Despite claims of independence Purdue is in deep with the government .

Remember what I just said above... you're free to believe what you want. But the moment you bring your beliefs public expect yourself to be able to defends the merits of that belief and provide material that supports it. Petty accusations aren't going to make progress.

 

[Slayhamlet]

And plenty of angels/spin doctors/devils, etc!

Unresponsive gibberish non sequitur.

Re question ... it is the topic. A lot of things can collapse but one-way crush down? Not possible.

Was the collapsing card tower not a "one-way crush down"? I have no idea since you're the one who made up the term. I've assumed it actually means something, but perhaps I was being too generous. Can you tell me in what way the collapse of the card tower is or is not a "one-way crush down"? Also, why is your pizza box model relevant but the card tower model isn't?

If you fail to answer any of these questions in a legitimate fashion I will be forced to write you off as the fraud so many other reasonable people have already determined you to be. Your choice.

 

[bill smith]

Hopeless desperation. Making up nonsense won't salvage your myths. Astaneh is a critic of NIST. His team conducted two simulations. He is trying show that the builders of the towers cut corners. One of his simulations showed the performance of the towers if they had been built in strict accordance with existing codes. The other one reflected the actual construction of the towers. Guess what? When the simulation reflects reality, the towers collapsed EXACTLY as they did on 9/11.
You frauds are fond of distorting Astaneh's words. How will you talk your way out of this disaster?

http://thetruthproject.us/2007/06/2...irect-links-to-government-pentagon-black-ops/ Purdue is not independent

 

[KreeL]

purdue and berkeley (professor astaneh's team) modeled the collapses. Guess what?--they were almost identical to the actual collapses. The bogus heiwa challenge is a grotesque garble of basic physics that buries you frauds.

rofl