Who started both World Wars?

[dafydd]

And you are making excellent work of it, uke2se. To me nothing says "making fun" than run arounding pleading with people not to click on a link.

That is the mark of true superiority.

I thought that you were representing the master race here. Why do you hate Jews?

 

[dudalb]

I merely note your methodology with amusement. You are presented with a quote that you had never heard before. Regardless, you pronounce it a fake. When the reference for the quote is presented to you, you embark on a search for evidence to support your initial assertion. Littlegreyrabbi quoting AJP Taylor is sufficient for your purposes. Still, I look forward to your exploration of the evidence.

There was some rather famous chap whose reading also served merely to reinforce his own opinions rather than broaden his understanding. Now, who was it again? . . . .

I has major disagreemtns with AJP Taylor's "In foreign affairs, Hitler was no worse then most other statemen until the war started." thesis, but Taylor never denied that Nazi Racial policies was evil, and certainly was never a Holocaust denier.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I has major disagreemtns with AJP Taylor's "In foreign affairs, Hitler was no worse then most other statemen until the war started." thesis, but Taylor never denied that Nazi Racial policies was evil, and certainly was never a Holocaust denier.

Are you sure you want to push 'evil' as an acceptable category in writing history, rather than stay with the facts and leave using the word to philosophers, moralists and girlie lefties?

About Taylor and the h-word... I found this quote on thephora forum:

As to Taylor and the holocaust, he was in his late 60s when The Hoax of the Twentieth Century was published and he died in 1990 before holocaust revisionism began its meteoric rise with the advent of the internet. Besides which, court historians who have devoted 10-15 years of their lives getting Ph.D.s and tenure postions are simply not going to destroy their reputations by coming down on the 'wrong side' of that touchy politicized issue.

And another quote from the same forum:

He [Taylor] feared Germany, wished to sustain its postwar division, yet argued that Hitler had stumbled into war in 1939 by miscalculation, not by design.

Precisely my point.

 

[TSR]

About Taylor and the h-word... I found this quote on thephora forum:

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Any reason, other than the obvious, that you still haven't consulted the *real* historians to whom you've been referred?
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[Corsair 115]

They were willing to go to war with Poland about it.

And any nation that goes to war with another nation while not being mindful of the treaties that other nation has with yet other nations is being incredibly stupid.

Hitler gambled that Britain would not live up to the promisses they had made to the Poles and was bluffing, just like they had accepted earlier reversals of Versailles.

In other words, he made a gross miscalculation. (Hardly the only one Hitler would make during the period.)

Hitler thought Britain would not commit suicide. But they did.

Strange, I thought it was Germany which surrendered unconditionally, not Britain.

So thanks to you, the US and USSR won, and Europe and Britain lost.

Strange, I see neither the U.S. nor Soviet Union occupying and running the nations of Europe. In fact, I could have sworn the many nations in Europe have had elections in which the citizenry decided upon their governments.

But there is a little problem here for you. The US soon will go the way of the USSR.

What, it's going to break up into a bunch of little independent countries?

 

[MG1962]

Although Britain was the biggest loser of them all, at least the Germans lost, and that is the most important thing a Brit can achieve in life.

Seriously, next time can you post a warning when you are going to be that funny. Coffee is too expensive to waste all over my monitor

 

[Corsair 115]

D'Oh! In the midst of making my post I failed to edit out a portion of our intrepid 9/11 investigator's post that I wasn't going to respond to. It's about to be edited out now. So I am not in fact responsible for that bit of comedy.

For the comment quoted by MG1962, here is the proper sourcing:

Although Britain was the biggest loser of them all, at least the Germans lost, and that is the most important thing a Brit can achieve in life.

 

[MG1962]

D'Oh! In the midst of making my post I failed to edit out a portion of our intrepid 9/11 investigator's post that I wasn't going to respond to. It's about to be edited out now. So I am not in fact responsible for that bit of comedy.

For the comment quoted by MG1962, here is the proper sourcing:

Ya know that just makes it even funnier - I just can't get Basil Fawlty out of my head right now

 

[dudalb]

And any nation that goes to war with another nation while not being mindful of the treaties that other nation has with yet other nations is being incredibly stupid.





In other words, he made a gross miscalculation. (Hardly the only one Hitler would make during the period.)

Hitler made miscalculation after miscalculation, but his miscalculation that the UK treaty with Poland was just a bluff, and in the end the UK would back down is probably his worst.

 

[dudalb]

Seriously, next time can you post a warning when you are going to be that funny. Coffee is too expensive to waste all over my monitor

Two World Wars and One World Cup..doo dah,doo dah.....

Favorite Brit soccer fan song to tune of Camptown races when playing Germany....

 

[dudalb]

Ya know that just makes it even funnier - I just can't get Basil Fawlty out of my head right now

My mental image of our little investigator is that of the Late Kenneth Mars as Franz Liedkind in "The Producers" (1968)

 

[Hans]

9/11 your contradiction seem to be plying up could you untangle them

1. You've told us that Germany (Europe) was destroyed by the US and USSR yet it is certainly still there and doing fairly well - please explain
2. That this same Europe is going to be the next superpower - please explain this contradiction with number 1.

 

[dudalb]

9/11 your contradiction seem to be plying up could you untangle them

1. You've told us that Germany (Europe) was destroyed by the US and USSR yet it is certainly still there and doing fairly well - please explain
2. That this same Europe is going to be the next superpower - please explain this contradiction with number 1.

Good call that the Lying Dutchman equates Germany and the other "Germanic" countries with Europe. Europe bordering the Medittrenean and Eastern Europe don't seem to have much of a presence in his mental world.

 

[MG1962]

My mental image of our little investigator is that of the Late Kenneth Mars as Franz Liedkind in "The Producers" (1968)

And now it's...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany...

 

[Hans]

Good call that the Lying Dutchman equates Germany and the other "Germanic" countries with Europe. Europe bordering the Medittrenean and Eastern Europe don't seem to have much of a presence in his mental world.

He doesn't mention those fine Aryans allies, the Italians, very often - i wonder why? LOL. Oh and since the '9/11 doctrine' states that one ally is responsible for the actions of another ally (Britain the USA are somehow responsble for Soviet actions) then that means Germany is responsible for the Italian attacks on Libya and Ethiopia - mein Gott, gross Colonialism - something that 9/11 applies to Britain only

 

[peteweaver]

WW1 was the knock on effect of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austro Hungary by Gavrilo Princip.

Various nations had defence treaties with each other. Austro Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia was allied with Russia so Russia declared war on Austro Hungary, Austro Hungary was allied with Germany so Germany declared war on Russia, Russia was allied with Britain and France so Britain and France declared war on Germany. The Ottoman Empire was allied with Germany so the Ottoman Empire declared war on us Brits.

Towards the end of WW1 Germany neared Paris, but became fatigued demoralised, faltered much of the ground they had taken was difficult to cross, so supplies were very difficult. By November 1918, totally demoralised the German army surrendered, and the armastice was signed on the 11th day at the 11th hour. In June 1918 the Treaty of Versailles was signed, and this placed great restrictions on Germany.

In years to come hardship in Germany because of the Treaty of Versailles was used as an excuse for anti semitism, and particularly after the Great depression began the popularity of the National Socialist German Workers Party increased. At the same time the German communist party was gaining popularity, businesses feared communism even more than Nazism.
At the behest of Franz Von Papen, German President Paul Von Hindenburg gave Hitler the Chancellorship. It was thought Hindenburg could control Hitler. But Hindenburg died.

 

[dudalb]

And now it's...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany...

Don't be stupid,
Be A Smarty
Come and Join
The Nazi Party

Though before I get cut to shreds, I know that Mars does not perform the song in the 1968 film.
Mars as Franz>then Will Ferill as Franz, though I don't dislike the 2005 film of the Broadway Musical the way some fans of the 1968 film do.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Two World Wars and One World Cup..doo dah,doo dah.....

Favorite Brit soccer fan song to tune of Camptown races when playing Germany....

Well, if we have a look at the average British soccer fan we can excuse him for these silly remarks. It's genetic, so not his fault. The UK might have won the world cup once at home in Britain, in contrast Germany did win 3 world cups and the other axis power Italy even 4.

It is clear that WW1 was intended and won by Britain, no question about it. Reason: Britain did not like the existence of a united Germany at all and was determined to see it smashed. Another greavance was that Germany made much better products then these islanders, basically they were outperformed. WW1 was fought because of jealousy, in the form of Germanophobia. On 2nd thoughts, Britain did not win WW1 at all. They were on the losing side, together with France, certainly after Russia was defeated in the east. I repeat: Brits are unable to defeat Germany, even if helped by France and Russia. Is that something to be proud of, I am asking you? Why did Britain win after all? Because the most disloyal people on this planet, the youknowwho's decide to strike a deal with the British: "you give us Palestine, and then we sick the Americans, who we own, upon the Germans". So said, so it happened. And that made the difference, not because the British somehow defeated the Germans, that is impossible as they themselves know all too well, knowledge that has been made immortal in the famous statement by Gary Linnaker enshrining the British inferiority complex towards Germany: "22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans always win". Besides, Germany was not defeated at all, although in a difficult position. The trouble was that the Germans believed that Americans were trustworthy and could be believed on their word (the Poles in WW2 made a similar mistake). They accepted a peace on terms as proposed by Wilson. Nothing later materialized, causing deep justified resentment in German against the alllies.

Regarding WW2, the biggest loser in terms of territory no doubt was Britain. By far. Before the war Britain's Lebensraum, uh sorry... empire encompassed 25% of the planet, nowadays Britain has great trouble in even keeping Scotland and Wales in the sorry remains of that empire. In 1939 Britain had 2 options: start an alliance with the only political entity that had friendly feelings towards them, namely Germany. Or let them send in a war with Germany by a party that was not even an allie of Britain and had no other intentions than stripping Britain of it's empire. The Brits, the natural born losers that they are, obviously chose the Americans. Britain gave Europe to the enemies of Europe on a silver platter: the US and USSR. That Britain lost it's empire is of little comfort to us other Europeans, who really resent what Britain did to us.

Nowadays Europe is united, with Germany and France running the show and with Britain sidelined. And they will be even more sidelined (as in thrown from Mediteranian beaches) when the revisionist story about the 20th century will emerge. Germany is the largest exporter in the world. And Britain? Britain is good at binge drinking with detrimental effects on the brain leading to silly statements as quoted by you.

The Spanish had the 16th century, the Dutch the 17th century, the British the 18th and 19th century, the Jews the 20th (via the USA and USSR). It is likely that the Germans will finally have their well-deserved century, namely this century, at the heart of a united Europe, including Russia, and excluding any Anglo influence.

 

[TheRedWorm]

So, is it safe to boil the above rant down to "I hate Jews"?

 

[MG1962]

Don't be stupid,
Be A Smarty
Come and Join
The Nazi Party

Though before I get cut to shreds, I know that Mars does not perform the song in the 1968 film.
Mars as Franz>then Will Ferill as Franz, though I don't dislike the 2005 film of the Broadway Musical the way some fans of the 1968 film do.

I must admit I have no love for the remake. I just never felt the same manic energy that was a hallmark of Mostels and Wilder's performace was captured