Who started both World Wars?

[9/11-investigator]

SO the Germans have a right to "Self Determination" but the Czechs did not?

I said that the invasion of Prague was dubious. BTW was there any dictator that the US did not support and that the Egyptian revolution was greeted after it was clear that their satrap Mubarak had lost the game after being kept alive for more than 30 years by our self-described champions of democracy?

You know, you should really stop talking about "European Supremancy"

I never talk about "European Supremacy". Show me where I do. You can't.

and just be honest and talk about "Germanic Supremacy" since it is pretty apparent you don't have much use for Slavic and Medittrean Europeans..except for Putin, for some weird reason.

You simply want to put me in the Nazi-corner and hence you have to ignore that I am not anti-Russian at all. Anti-Anglo, yes, but not anti-Russian. For me Anglos are basically little Jews; Russians were the largest victims ever of the Jews.

 

[MG1962]

The Hitler quote.



Recorded by Lt. Col. (General Staff) Schmundt, at a meeting on May 23rd, 1939 at the New Reich Chancellery

Dang off by a week - what did Hitler do that was interesting the week before

 

[VonKleist]

Dang off by a week - what did Hitler do that was interesting the week before

From May 14th to 20th 1939 he was inspecting the defences of the West Wall.

 

[uke2se]

I said that the invasion of Prague was dubious. BTW was there any dictator that the US did not support and that the Egyptian revolution was greeted after it was clear that their satrap Mubarak had lost the game after being kept alive for more than 30 years by our self-described champions of democracy?



I never talk about "European Supremacy". Show me where I do. You can't.



You simply want to put me in the Nazi-corner and hence you have to ignore that I am not anti-Russian at all. Anti-Anglo, yes, but not anti-Russian. For me Anglos are basically little Jews; Russians were the largest victims ever of the Jews.

You're losing it, Nein11. Not just the argument, mind you. You lost that before you even began.

 

[Craig4]

To all concerned.

I was in the Netherlands recently and encountered many very friendly enlightened people. I wish to add this lest anyone get a bad impression of the country based on the example of its citizenry we have here with us today.

 

[9/11-investigator]

The Hitler quote.

Recorded by Lt. Col. (General Staff) Schmundt, at a meeting on May 23rd, 1939 at the New Reich Chancellery between Hitler and Göring, Raeder, von Brauchitsch, Keitel, Milch, Halder, (General) Bodenschatz, (Rear Admiral)Schniewind, Colonel (attached to the General Staff) Jeschonnek, Colonel (General Staff) Warlimont, Captain Engel (Army), Lieutenant Commander Albrecht, Captain von Below(Army).

Published in: Documents on German Foreign Policy, D, VI, no. 433, pp. 574 ff. IMT, 079-L.

The protocol is also printed in: Jacobsen, Der zweite Weltkrieg in Chronik und Dokumenten, pp. 92 ff

Thank you for your constructive and on-topic contribution.

Now just to be certain, we are talking about the document at the bottom of this page, right?

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=1458445#p1458471

Schmundt conveniently died in 1944, so he could not be interrogated in Nuremberg. He participated in a plot trying to kill Dolfie in 1944.

And we do not need to go to Codoh, or IHR, British main stream historian AJP Taylor is enough:

Note to p 269: This speech of Hitler's, discussed at greater length on p.304, conflictswith other statements at this time and I had doubts about it from the first. It is now known to be a forgery, probably concocted by some member of the German general staff in order to frighten the British. Hitler gave no speech on 23 May and most of those alleged to have been present were not even in Berlin

The Origins of the Second World War, revised edition of 1963, page 301.

Will discuss this later using the book by Generalmajor Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof.

 

[9/11-investigator]

To all concerned.

I was in the Netherlands recently and encountered many very friendly enlightened people. I wish to add this lest anyone get a bad impression of the country based on the example of its citizenry we have here with us today.

Craig still thinks that Holland can be kept within the confines of the NWO. That's what he probably thought of Egypt as well 4 weeks ago.
Considering the political developments in Holland it is probably one of the first within the western world to break away at some point this decade. Oh, and can you spell Apartheid?

Dream on pall, I am just an early bird.

 

[VonKleist]

And we do not need to go to Codoh, or IHR, British main stream historian AJP Taylor is enough:



The Origins of the Second World War, revised edition of 1963, page 301.

You haven't read Taylor. You have merely read littlegreyrabbi.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You haven't read Taylor. You have merely read littlegreyrabbi.

Your point? Is the quote incorrect?

 

[VonKleist]

Your point? Is the quote incorrect?

I merely note your methodology with amusement. You are presented with a quote that you had never heard before. Regardless, you pronounce it a fake. When the reference for the quote is presented to you, you embark on a search for evidence to support your initial assertion. Littlegreyrabbi quoting AJP Taylor is sufficient for your purposes. Still, I look forward to your exploration of the evidence.

There was some rather famous chap whose reading also served merely to reinforce his own opinions rather than broaden his understanding. Now, who was it again? . . . .

 

[9/11-investigator]

I merely note your methodology with amusement. You are presented with a quote that you had never heard before. Regardless, you pronounce it a fake. When the reference for the quote is presented to you, you embark on a search for evidence to support your initial assertion. Littlegreyrabbi quoting AJP Taylor is sufficient for your purposes.

I do not pronounce it fake, I pronounced that Taylor pronounced it fake. Next I had a quick glance in my copy of Schultz-Rhonhof's book and said I would discuss this topic further. So I did not push LGR's Taylor as a holy grail.

Still, I look forward to your exploration of the evidence.

Look back, (but not in anger), rather than forward.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6558508&postcount=3152

I discussed Schmund there earlier, using Schultz-Rhonhof.

 

[VonKleist]

That is an historic novum you are presenting here. I am very curious as to what source you can offer to back up this claim that Hitler said anything like that. Probably another TSR lie.

If you would have known the source you would have told me, to score a point. But from the fact that you remain mysterious about the source (it probably is your ***) we can be almost certain it is another lie. He knows it is a dubious source, he simply tries it. OMG.

I do not pronounce it fake,

Jolly good.

 

[MG1962]

Okay to recap - we have now agreed Hitler's motives where less than pure when he invaded Poland, czechoslavkia, Austria, and the Soviet Union

I guess after 105 pages - we have our answer. Germany started WW2

 

[Craig4]

Okay to recap - we have now agreed Hitler's motives where less than pure when he invaded Poland, czechoslavkia, Austria, and the Soviet Union

I guess after 105 pages - we have our answer. Germany started WW2

Honest people had the answer at page one.

 

[Craig4]

Craig still thinks that Holland can be kept within the confines of the NWO. That's what he probably thought of Egypt as well 4 weeks ago.
Considering the political developments in Holland it is probably one of the first within the western world to break away at some point this decade. Oh, and can you spell Apartheid?

Dream on pall, I am just an early bird.

Sure Holland might break away. However that it will become a republic licking the historical boots of Nazi scum is your dream. The idea that your depravity will be shared by your countrymen is the product of your inability to understand reality. Do enjoy being a misunderstood genius though. That must be very satisfying in your basement.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Sure Holland might break away. However that it will become a republic licking the historical boots of Nazi scum is your dream. The idea that your depravity will be shared by your countrymen is the product of your inability to understand reality. Do enjoy being a misunderstood genius though. That must be very satisfying in your basement.

My dear fellow, where do I say I want to 'lick boots of Nazis'?

They are dead, remember? So is the USSR. But you are still at large, peddling your historic lies. But not much longer, thanks to this medium.

My enterprise here is to demolish these Anglo/Jewish lies, with the intent to escort you towards the exit of history. My intent is not to erect statues of Hitler but to hold the stories of the historic tormentors of Europe (USSR + Anglosphere) long enough under water until they do not move anymore, obviously metaphorically speaking. Rest assured that I wish you will enjoy a carefree retirement while unjoying the sun setting over your once great Nation and the crumbling rusty structures of Cape Canaveral. The center of gravity of European civilization will move back to where it belongs, namely Europe, after you attempted to destroy it, together with your Soviet pals.

 

[Craig4]

My dear fellow, where do I say I want to 'lick boots of Nazis'?

They are dead, remember? So is the USSR. But you are still at large, peddling your historic lies.

My enterprise here is to demolish these Anglo/Jewish lies, with the intent to accompany you towards the exit of history. My intent is not to erect statues of Hitler but to hold the stories of the historic tormentors of Europe (USSR + Anglosphere) long enough under water until they do not move anymore, obviously metaphorically speaking. Rest assured that I wish you will enjoy a carefree retirement while unjoying the sun setting over your once great Nation and the crumbling rusty structures of Cape Canaveral. The center of gravity of European civilization will move back to where it belongs, namely Europe, after you attempted to destroy it, together with your Soviet pals.

Funny.

 

[TSR]

I do not pronounce it fake, I pronounced that Taylor pronounced it fake.

.
No, you very specifically called it "another TSR lie" (leaving aside that you have yet to show the *first* one) because you, personally, were unfamiliar with it. You most definitely called it fake, and you did so in a way that constituted a personal attack on myself.

Then, presented with no less than *four* mainstream historians who discuss the quote, you chose to go with *one* who work has been soundly criticized by several other historians and who in fact lost his teaching job over his shoddy methodology and go on to cite a document someone else says someone else has shown to be fake, and which





wait for it.





wait for it.





DOESN'T EVEN DISCUSS THE QUOTE I OFFERED!


Unless you can specifically point to the para which even mentions "Lebensraum?"

I'll freely admit I merely scanned it, so may have missed the reference.
.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Okay to recap - we have now agreed Hitler's motives where less than pure when he invaded Poland, czechoslavkia, Austria, and the Soviet Union

I guess after 105 pages - we have our answer. Germany started WW2

WW2 according to MG1962: Hitler, Goering and Goebbels were sitting in the Beergarten having a good time. 'You know what?', says Hitler, 'Let's start a world war, just for the heck of it. How about that?'. Goering: 'Jolly good idea if you ask me!'. Goebbels: 'Wunderbar! First Poland, then the rest of Europe, then the USSR, then Souts-America, Antarctica, Australia and finally the USA'.

You're a fascinating character, MG1962, but if I were you, I would stick with catching aligators as a career.

 

[Hans]

Ah 9/11 just to make it clear that after 105 pages the fact that Germany started ww2. Despite volumes of your lies, denial and making stuff up. That conclusion still stands and the internet supports it fully.

You have failed - but then those of us who understand history knew that when you started oh so long ago.