Who started both World Wars?

[9/11-investigator]

Then maybe you shouldn't have used it as a source. After all, that was the main point: You don't read your sources. You just throw anything in there, in a vain hope it supports your delusions.

I used the phrase 'Gaullism' and as a service to my readers I added a wikipedia link. What is wrong with that? I never said that every phrase in that wikipedia article applied to me. I consider myself as an adherent to General de Gaulle, my only hero from WW2, and said that on most foreign policy issues I agree with the good general. In this sense I consider myself a Gaullist. That does not apply to the Gaullist movement, inherited from de Gaulle.

 

[uke2se]

I used the phrase 'Gaullism' and as a service to my readers I added a wikipedia link. What is wrong with that? I never said that every phrase in that wikipedia article applied to me. I consider myself as an adherent to General de Gaulle, my only hero from WW2, and said that on most foreign policy issues I agree with the good general. In this sense I consider myself a Gaullist. That does not apply to the Gaullist movement, inherited from de Gaulle.

Ok, so you're not really a Gaullist as you don't adhere to the principles of the Gaullist movement, but you kinda like de Gaulle - at least when he's not kicking Nazi butt.

Gotcha!

 

[9/11-investigator]

Ah yes, the records of the Tuskegee Airmen and the 442nd RCT were indeed abysmal. How could everyone have missed such an obvious fact?

Oh my goodness, some cherry picking in action, though Shangrila studiously avoids to elaborate on the no doubt magnificent actions of these brave warriors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Airmen

The American military was racially segregated, as was much of the federal government. The Tuskegee Airmen were subject to racial discrimination, both within and outside the army. Despite these adversities, they trained and flew with distinction. Although the 477th Bombardment Group "worked up" on North American B-25 Mitchell bombers, they never served in combat; the Tuskegee 332nd Fighter Group was the only operational unit, first sent overseas as part of Operation Torch, then in action in Sicily and Italy, before being deployed as bomber escorts in Europe where they were particularly successful in their missions.

So let me get this straight. Black guys from a racially segregated army were used to fight evil racist Hitler!

You can't make this up!

Maybe they even bombed this 'German' fellow fighting for Gross-Deutschland! It could well be that Hitler's army in the end was more 'diverse' than that of the alllies.

But seriously... although I do not want to rule out that these Tuskegee airmen did indeed bravely manage to kill a few German Anne Frank's or otherwise from 10 km altitude, I am not very impressed. As a rule a few thousand Europeans usually sufficed to colonize a third world country. Even the British could do that. And the only reason why Europe had to abandon it's colonies was because America insisted on doing so (handing it over to China as it seems to be the case now), much to the detriment of Africa, which basically hardly can rule itself without foreign aid.

For many Congolese like Le Blanc, the difficulties of today blot out the cruelties of the past. "On this river, all that you see — the buildings, the boats — only whites did that. After the whites left, the Congolese did not work. We did not know how to. For the past 50 years, we've just declined." He pauses. "They took this country by force," he says, with more than a touch of admiration. "If they came back, this time we'd give them the country for free."

Maybe we Europeans should recolonize Africa for humanitarian reasons after the coming collapse of the US.

 

[uke2se]

So, blacks can't fight. I'm sure you'd be willing to put that to the test, right Nein11?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Frankly, my respect for Annapolis just went down a little because they had Suvorov as a speaker. I expected better from Rowboat U......

It gets worse, Suvorovs book:

http://www.usni.org/store/books/history/chief-culprit

...is published by U.S. NAVAL INSTITUTE PRESS.

I think it is high time for dudalb to alarm the ADL!

 

[9/11-investigator]

So, blacks can't fight.

Not in an organized form, no.
No historical precedent given.
I am sorry, that is the way it is.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Maybe they even bombed this 'German' fellow fighting for Gross-Deutschland! It could well be that Hitler's army in the end was more 'diverse' than that of the alllies.

But seriously... although I do not want to rule out that these Tuskegee airmen did indeed bravely manage to kill a few German Anne Frank's or otherwise from 10 km altitude, I am not very impressed.

And the rest of us aren't very impressed at your inability to distinguish between the words "fighter" and "bomber".

Dave

 

[9/11-investigator]

Oh I totally understand - I was just being lazy finding other examples

It is not easy indeed to find what some here are desperately looking for.
Or put it more bluntly: it does not exist.

 

[Tolls]

Not in an organized form, no.
No historical precedent given.
I am sorry, that is the way it is.

Isandlwhana (and by extension the Zulu army) was mentioned above.
How was their structure not organised?

 

[uke2se]

Not in an organized form, no.
No historical precedent given.
I am sorry, that is the way it is.

Except for the ones that were given.

Here are some more:

- Nubian invasion of Egypt during the 25th dynasty.

- Isandhlwana, as already stated.

- Battle of Mogadishu in 1993.

But then again, I'm sure the racist is correct. I'm also sure he'll be willing to put it to the test. Let's say, 13 rounds against this guy.

 

[TSR]

Or put it more bluntly: it does not exist.

.
You mean, other than the other examples given?

Own goal, again.
.

 

[Shangrila]

Oh my goodness, some cherry picking in action, though Shangrila studiously avoids to elaborate on the no doubt magnificent actions of these brave warriors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Airmen



So let me get this straight. Black guys from a racially segregated army were used to fight evil racist Hitler!

You can't make this up!

Maybe they even bombed this 'German' fellow fighting for Gross-Deutschland! It could well be that Hitler's army in the end was more 'diverse' than that of the alllies.

Strange that you would mention cherrypicking, and then proceed to cherrypick a bombardment unit that never served in combat rather than responding to the fighter unit that did (even though their achievements are given in the same wiki article that you "cited"), or the infantry regiment that fought one of the hardest campaigns of the war. You must have to tried quite hard to achieve this level of self-parody, right?

 

[dudalb]

So, blacks can't fight. I'm sure you'd be willing to put that to the test, right Nein11?

I was going to mention the Zulus in 1879, but I have been beaten to the punch.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Except for the ones that were given.

Here are some more:

- Nubian invasion of Egypt during the 25th dynasty.

That was right after the last ice age, right?
Who were they fighting, German Nazis or Pygmies?

- Battle of Mogadishu in 1993.

That was against Americans. Americans loose against any 3rd world nation: Vietnamese, Somali, Lebanese, Taliban. Hamburger eating surrender monkeys to paraphrase one of your Jews, when the French refused to do as they were told. As Buchanan said: Americans are lousy imperialists. Accidently fell upwards behind the back of the Soviets (who did the real fighting, where Anglos where mainly specialized in burning women and children alive from 10 km altitude).

 

[9/11-investigator]

I was going to mention the Zulus in 1879, but I have been beaten to the punch.

That was against the British.
I was talking about Europeans.

 

[Corsair 115]

Americans loose against any 3rd world nation: Vietnamese, Somali, Lebanese, Taliban.

And yet the Americans, along with the British and its allies, helped crush your vaunted German Third Reich quite well. Its cities demolished, its economy destroyed, its military beaten, its land occupied.

 

[9/11-investigator]

And yet the Americans, along with the British and its allies, helped crush your vaunted German Third Reich quite well. Its cities demolished, its economy destroyed, its military beaten, its land occupied.

You say it... "helped".

The alllies outnumbered the Germans 6:1, hence This is a nice symbol of WW2.

The Soviets did the dying between 1941 and 1945. You joined the party only in June 1944, when it was already nearly over and had some 15 year olds fighting you in the Ardennes.

War effort
USSR - 80% (20 million killed)
USA - 15% (300,000 killed)
UK - 5% (2 Arthur Lowe look-a-likes killed while storming the beaches of Duinkerken... westwards)

That's the picture.

 

[uke2se]

You say it... "helped".

The alllies outnumbered the Germans 6:1,

It has already been demonstrated in this thread that you are wrong about this. You fail to count any of Germany's allies, and you inflate the population of several allied nations. It is clear that it doesn't matter to you, as your purpose here is to lie for Der Führer, but for everyone else it does matter, and stands as yet another example of you being dead wrong.

 

[9/11-investigator]

It has already been demonstrated in this thread that you are wrong about this. You fail to count any of Germany's allies, and you inflate the population of several allied nations. It is clear that it doesn't matter to you, as your purpose here is to lie for Der Führer, but for everyone else it does matter, and stands as yet another example of you being dead wrong.

We discussed this before and yes you managed to convince me that outnumbering 1:7 should be 1:6. Fine with me. Italy was a burden, not an asset. Japan counts as much as a kindergarden.

 

[Uzzy]

Two long pages of derail from nein/11 guy here, after he refused to comment on the destruction of his argument that Communism was somehow 'Jewish'. Unsurprising really.