Who started both World Wars?

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MG1962 said:
But in other posts you say Stalin was getting ready to invade Germany?
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You missed my addition: 'for the moment'.

The conflict between Trotzky and Stalin was in the twenties.
The USSR back than was not ready for expansion. Stalin wanted consolidation first, a very wise move from his perspective. The strategy since Lenin had been to provoke a war between Germany and the West-European powers. With the Polish crisis that opportunity came and Stalin fooled Hitler into the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. Pity though that France and Britain were no match for Germany and the 'war' was over within 6 weeks, without considerable losses for Germany. Tough luck for Stalin who had hoped that Germany and France/Britain would beat each other to pulp. But he could not change the 'vocation' of communism, which was to bolshevize the entire planet. Stalin had put all his cards on armament and at some point he would strike. And that moment was July 10, 1941.

But Hitler found out about the ongoing Soviet troop deployment at the eastern border and struck 3 weeks earlier. Thanks to that move Holland was not bolshevized, unlike Eastern Europe.

Thanks Dolfie.
 
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But see you just highlight the problem. Trotsky should have won...He was a Jew, hell bent on world domination.....why did Stalin win? How did Stalin win? Why after destroying Trosky, including his assassination, he followed Trotsky plan less than 10 years later.

But wait there is more. Why did Stalin reject the oppotunity to support the German, French and Italian and Spanish communists in the 1920's and 30's then waste time later invading the countries?
 
MG1962 said:
But see you just highlight the problem. Trotsky should have won...He was a Jew, hell bent on world domination.....why did Stalin win? How did Stalin win? Why after destroying Trosky, including his assassination, he followed Trotsky plan less than 10 years later.
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They both wanted to follow-up Lenin and were in competition. Why should Trotsky have won? Because he is a Jew? :D What a joke. They have been thrown out of nearly every country except for the US, born losers if you ask me. Job Cohen, the top Jewish politician in the Netherlands and leader of the Social-Democrats and left opposition is a laughing stock in the Netherlands in the current very right wing anti-immigration climate.

The conflict between Stalin and Trotsky was one of strategy. Stalin was more prudent, but they both wanted the same.

But wait there is more. Why did Stalin reject the opportunity to support the German, French and Italian and Spanish communists in the 1920's and 30's then waste time later invading the countries?
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The strategy was to give the European powers the opportunity to go after each others throat, unhindered by internal conflict.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
They both wanted to follow-up Lenin and were in competition. Why should Trotsky have won? Because he is a Jew? :D
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So the Jews are powerful enough to bring down the Russian empire, start both world wars but unable to stop an ill tempered ill educated ruffian from Georgia?

You really need to get your story straight
 
MG1962 said:
So the Jews are powerful enough to bring down the Russian empire, start both world wars but unable to stop an ill tempered ill educated ruffian from Georgia?

You really need to get your story straight
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They did not 'bring down the Russian empire', it was just a coup. They seized on the opportunity that the war against Germany was going badly. That is always a good moment for taking over power from the political entity that brought the country in a mess in the first place.

Jews instinctively know that any movement they bring about, such as:

- bolshevism (Trotzky)
- Turkish nationalism (Ataturk)
- neoconservatism (Strauss)
- marxist based leftism in general (Marx son of rabbi)

but also non-political movements like
- psychoanalysis (Freud)
- antropology (Boas)

... cannot be presented as a Jewish movement. Bolshevism was not an explicit Jewish movement, it was initiated by the Jews. 15 years after the revolution they already started losing control of the movement. Stalin was very shrewd, he outmanouvered Trotzky in the contest for being successor of Lenin. But he never attacked the Jews as such, at least not befor the end of the war. Maybe Stalin was helped by latent antisemitism in the movement as well, I do not know.
 
9/11-investigator said:
So you are saying that I, single handedly, keep you geniuses busy for 95 pages, before you find out that I 'know absolutely nothing about European history'?

What says that about you?
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That he still has hope for humanity. Not to worry. You'll soon extinguish that by posting another stupid post.
 
MG1962 said:
So the Jews are powerful enough to bring down the Russian empire, start both world wars but unable to stop an ill tempered ill educated ruffian from Georgia?

You really need to get your story straight
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You were from Australia, right?

This just in:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/08/10/departing-alp-member-tells-of-deep-zionist-influence-in-party/

It is the same everywhere. When politicians retire they sometimes spill the beans.

“On the Labor side (and as far as I know the same applies to the Liberals), a newly selected member for a winnable seat is hosted to a private fund raising dinner. A table full of Jewish businessmen are happy to hand over $10,000 for the candidate’s first campaign. That’s a big bonus for a new member and many never forget the generosity. I was never afforded such an honour but I can say that I would have been suspicious of the motive.”...

She tells Crikey that although she survived four terms in parliament, “I have no doubt that senior ALP figures have promised to end my career on more than one occasion. At the grass roots level, in the branches and the wider electorate, the lobby has no influence. Only at the highest levels can a member be threatened
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In America you had Paul Finley:
http://www.amazon.com/They-Dare-Speak-Out-Institutions/dp/155652482X

In 2004 we had senior British Labour politician sir Thomas Dallyel complaining about a Jewish cabal around Bush and Blair. Again at the end of his career.

And there were of course Mearsheimer and Walt who described the machinations of the Israel Lobby in the US.

All this happened in 'Anglosphere' and is extremely relevant for the topic in this thread. Because it was the same Israel Lobby that was decisive in determining the outcome of WW1 (Balfour deal) and in starting WW2 in the first place (Focus group around Churchill).

Not much news under the sun.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
So you are saying that I, single handedly, keep you geniuses busy for 95 pages, before you find out that I 'know absolutely nothing about European history'?

What says that about you?
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We counter the arguments from a poorly informed person who has tried to bend and make up history to fit a very chaotic and ill thought out hate biased world view.

To confront stupidity is to do just that, confront stupidity which you provide in vat sized amounts.

Your best bet is to cease making hideously stupid comments and go quietly into the night to hate everything you hate in private. I thought originally that you had to be parody or a radical Jewish supporter who was trying to make fun of such positions. Shockingly you appear to be real - and so unknowning of world history as to make you a poster boy for
'Read history and don't be a dummy like 9/11'.
 
9/11-investigator said:
So you are saying that I, single handedly, keep you geniuses busy for 95 pages, before you find out that I 'know absolutely nothing about European history'?

What says that about you?
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Ohh this is not about you - it is about the sizable audience looking on. There is roughly 15 views of this thread for every post
 
9/11-investigator said:
... cannot be presented as a Jewish movement. Bolshevism was not an explicit Jewish movement, it was initiated by the Jews. 15 years after the revolution they already started losing control of the movement. Stalin was very shrewd, he outmanouvered Trotzky in the contest for being successor of Lenin. But he never attacked the Jews as such, at least not befor the end of the war. Maybe Stalin was helped by latent antisemitism in the movement as well, I do not know.
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Oh wait your story has changed again :boggled:
 
So, bolshevism was initiated by the Jews and was latently anti-semitic?

Anyone fancy going through the thread digging up all the times 911 has referred to Bolshevism as being jewish?
 
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