Who started both World Wars?

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Careful about insulting old Dolfie in front of 9/11 investigator. He might go on another 63 page rant about how the whole world is evil because it's full of Jews, except the noble Germans and Dutch.
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
Careful about insulting old Dolfie in front of 9/11 investigator. He might go on another 63 page rant about how the whole world is evil because it's full of Jews, except the noble Germans and Dutch.
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The ignore button is within easy reach.
 
Within the Jewish media Haaretz is a very pleasant exception; one of the few willing to criticize Israeli behavior from time to time. Here Haaretz is giving a listening ear to the Suvorov theory (2007):

http://www.haaretz.com/magazine/friday-supplement/was-stalin-to-blame-1.228553

Was Stalin to blame?
Does the history of World War II need to be rewritten?


Mischa Shauli sat at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., completely beside himself. It had been years since the first time he heard about the existence of a document said to prove that Stalin, not Hitler, bore the main responsibility for World War II, and for years he had searched for it with all his skills as a professional detective...

A few years ago Shauli read "Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War," by Bogdan Rozen. Rozen, who now lives in England, wrote it under the pseudonym of Viktor Suvorov. Shauli, impressed by the book, translated it into Hebrew and saw to its publication here...
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Huh? It is Vladimir Rezun, not the Jewish sounding name Rozen.

From out of the sea of details, a coherent thesis emerges: Stalin dragged Hitler into war to force Europe into chaos and facilitate a communist revolution on the continent. According to Shauli, there is evidence to back up this theory, including a speech by Stalin himself as well as a report obtained by the U.S. Consulate in Prague. The report has been mentioned here and there over the years, but it has never been published, because no one knows where it is today...

No one is happier than he is today: The document is in his possession, and now the history of World War II may have to be rewritten: It was Stalin's fault...

The document, from October 1939, consists of three pages in English that purportedly reflect a dialogue in Moscow between a delegation from Czechoslovakia and a senior Soviet Foreign Ministry official. The Czechs tried to find out why the U.S.S.R. had signed the nonaggression treaty with Nazi Germany, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 1939. A few days later the Germans invaded Poland, and World War II began.

The Soviet official, Alexandrov by name, explained to the Czech delegation that had the Soviet Union signed an agreement with the West, Hitler would not have dared to launch a war, and without that war there would have been no possibility of imposing communism in Europe. He also listed the benefits to the Soviet Union of the pact with Nazi Germany, and of the war...
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So WW2 (well the east part of it) was started by Stalin, rather than Hitler. Fortunately that 'does not matter a lot' because, you see:

The veracity of the document must be proved, and even if it turns out to be genuine, its significance is worthy of debate. Mischa Shauli is continuing his investigation. No, he said this week, he does not fear that shifting responsibility for the war from Hitler to Stalin "acquits" Hitler; he is responsible for other crimes.
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That must be the holocaust, right?

The entire picture of WW2 tumbling down like a house of cards.
If battleship Auschwitz is sunk as well (I mean if we were completely wrong about WW2, why not about this piece of Allied war propaganda as well?), what are we going to do with all these Rooseveltlanen and Churchillpleinen in the Netherlands?

Rename them into Hitlerlaan? :rolleyes:

Hitler, the hero who tried to defend Europe against invading Kosacs and Hillbillies and almost succeeded with the Kremlin in sight? (Capturing Moscow and installing a nationalist puppet government would have meant the end of the USSR).

Looks like it.

Icebreaker.

Europe never was liberated but rather intentionally destroyed by the Soviets from the east and the Anglos from the west.

The Soviets are gone. Let's have some fun with the Anglos. Let's form a temporarily alliance with Russia, China, South-America and Islam and hold the triade Israel/USA/UK so long under water until it does not move: trash the dollar as world currency, give Australia to China, UK to Islam, lavishly support the 9/11-truth movement and Libertarians, support the return of all majority Mexican states to Mexico (that's 30% of US territory), kick the American military bases out everywhere on the planet, move Israel to Upstate New York and encourage the blacks to start a state of their own in South-East US. And let's liberate the Euro-Americans from ZOG-USA. Mission accomplished.

Payback time.

Let's liquidate the West and restore the splendor of aristocratic European Civilization around the Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis.

To be continued...
 
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German Amazon.

Youtube trailer.

German spoken documentary about Suvorov. Smarties will find a way to have the documentary on their PC's in a matter of 5 minutes by 'special express delivery'.

If you want to immerse yourself in pictures with a high 'The Spy who came in from the Cold' quality, watch this documentary! Meet Soviet generals discussing this theory, meet Suvorov while living under cover in Britain, putting on a whig in order to protect himself against assasination attempts from the side of the KGB, carrying out the death sentence against him for treason.

Suvorov: sure, I am a Soviet traitor, shoot me! But my life is my book. History will prove me right..

Highly recommendable!

Recent interview with Suvorov (Russian)
 
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This quote reminds me a lot of nein11 guy.

Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts.
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SpitfireIX said:
Korea, Formosa, the Ryukyus, the Bonins, the Marianas (except Guam), the Palaus, the Carolines, and the Marshalls are not mentioned in the final US proposal, and whether "China" included Manchuria (Manchukuo) was not clear.
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Finally a rare opponent who engages in a debate. Chapeau!

From this source:

On November 21 last offer Japanese to the State Department. Content: 6 month truce to come to an allcompassing solution. Again offer to cancel Tripartite Pact with Berlin and Rome. Next day message to Japanese negotiators that deadline had postponed for 4 days (November 29) but that after that events would follow automatically. Msg again intercepted by Americans. November 25 Japanese naval units coursed for Pearl Harbor. November 25, meeting in the White House between Roosevelt, Hull, Stark, Marshall, Stimson. All knew that November 29 was the dead line. Stimson wrote in his diary that Roosevelt had said that the US probably would be attacked, maybe already next Monday. The Japanese are notorious for surprise attacks. The question was how we could manouver them in a position that they shoot first, without endangering ourselves too much. Hull was in favor of halting the negotiations. The pressure from British and Chinese was decisive. It was Hull who answered the Japanese negotiators the same day that the Japanese should withdraw all troops from entire China, including Manchuria, recognition of the Chiang-Kai-shek regime and public cancelling Tripartite Pact. This was unacceptable for Japan. Everybody understood war was now immanent (6:10). Next day Stimson called Hull, who literally said that from now on it was a matter of navy and army.
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You are right about Korea etc., but that is largely irrelevant. The USA summoned the Japanese to abandon almost their entire empire and to cancel their alliance with Germany and Japan. This comes down to humiliation. For the record, I could not care less about the Japanese empire, but that's a different topic.

There is only one explanation possible for this outrageous behavior of the Americans: they were actively seeking for war with Japan.

I have explained to you that the Tripartite PactWP was a defensive alliance, and therefore Germany was under no obligation to declare war on the United States after Japan attacked.
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I am working on a very long post to address this issue. Patience.

Nevertheless as a starter, here is the explanation by the BBC:

In retrospect Hitler's decision to declare war on a major world power such as the US seems like a major strategic error.

But he could no longer ignore the amount of economic and military aid America was giving the UK and the Soviet Union via the lend-lease programme.

The German Navy had even fought US warships protecting British supply ships in the Atlantic.
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UNLoVedRebel said:
Careful about insulting old Dolfie in front of 9/11 investigator. He might go on another 63 page rant about how the whole world is evil because it's full of Jews, except the noble Germans and Dutch.
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It's amazing what some people will do to elevate their own nation/ethnic group and give themselves some sense of worth.
 
Gawdzilla said:
I would follow the link, if I cared. I don't.
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I can think of many things that would be a lot more fun than reading Nein 11's blog.Listening to Barry Manilow,root canal work with no Novocaine,a night out with Richard Gage,cleaning out a cess pit,anything.
 
Belz... said:
I'm not sure even you know what you mean, seeing as you've failed to make a point or an argument at all, here.
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I wonder what our Nazi wonder boy thinks he has achieved here? He has shown lurkers what passes for a mentality in Holocaust deniers and made a right royal fool of himself.

Instead of a kitten,here are some of Nein 11's pals deep in intellectual debate.
 
Belz... said:
It's amazing what some people will do to elevate their own nation/ethnic group and give themselves some sense of worth.
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Correction: because of our self-worth we do not want to give our country and society away to hostile foreign groups.

Meanwhile, even the Americans start to notice that they are generally despised:

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/09/post-anti-americanism.html

And when you read about America in European newspapers, what you are likely to find is a tone bordering on pity. The U.S. is depicted as a fraying empire of obesity, ignorance, debt, gridlock, stagnation, and mindless war. Sure, the iPad is cool, but it is evidence of what America was, not what it will be again. The stories are not angry, accusatory, or even ideological. It’s worse: they are condescendingly elegiac.

European disdain for the United States is centuries old, of course. But over the course of decades of traveling in the U.K. and on the continent, I have never gotten the sense that I got on a recently completed three-week trip to Italy, Greece, Turkey, and the Black Sea. America is no longer admired, imitated, or feared. ... But we increasingly are seen less as a model or as an empire than as a cautionary tale of national neglect and decline.

Some Europeans can’t quite hide their schadenfruede. The British—whose publications and personalities are increasingly (and annoyingly) influential in the colony they lost 227 years ago—are global leaders in condescension (think Simon Cowell).
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Mind you, this is while still everybody thinks that Germany started WW2 and that the holocaust happened.

Can you imagine what is going to happen when these dams breaks?

Recently Italian ex-president Cossiga died, you know the one who said that:

In 2007, in a statement published by the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, Cossiga commented on the 11 September attacks and on a video attributed to Osama Bin Laden 2001. He wrote that "all of the democratic circles of America and of Europe, especially those of the Italian centre-left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world in order to place the blame on Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan"
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And that is precisely the truth. And when this comes out, oh boy, you better run for cover.

Time to clean up the mess in DC folks, before the rest of the world does it for you at far greater cost.

P.S. it should be clear to you that a greater receptivity for messages like the one that will be formulated in my blog is now underway.
 
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Can we please get back to making the list of giant military blunders of Germany during WWII? It'd put the final nail in the coffin of our intrepid investigator's claim upstream where he said the Germans (in regard to military matters) weren't stupid.

Halting the assault on Dunkirk? Stupid. Really stupid.
 
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