Who started both World Wars?

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ddt said:
That's an insult!
for the chicken
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I humbly apologize to all chickens.My words were taken out of context and in no way did I intend to insult the Gallus Domesticus by comparing them to Nazi goons.
 
Gawdzilla said:
"Chicken" would be appropriate if it was the first word of a two-word description of them, no?
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This thread has gone a little off topic and I'd like to share an awful anecdote about the end of the 39-45 war from a recent book "The Storm of War". In this book the author claims that; when the last of Hitler and his followers were trapped in the bunker during the battle for Berlin, they needed to know what parts of the city had fallen to the Russians. As the phone exchange was automated they simply telephoned random phone numbers in Berlin suburbs and noted if the person answered in German, Russian or not at all.
I thought this was very odd but logical.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
This thread has gone a little off topic and I'd like to share an awful anecdote about the end of the 39-45 war from a recent book "The Storm of War". In this book the author claims that; when the last of Hitler and his followers were trapped in the bunker during the battle for Berlin, they needed to know what parts of the city had fallen to the Russians. As the phone exchange was automated they simply telephoned random phone numbers in Berlin suburbs and noted if the person answered in German, Russian or not at all.
I thought this was very odd but logical.
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Something similar was mentioned in The Last Battle, IIRC. (I read several books on the Fall of Berlin around that time, so I could be conflating.)
 
dafydd said:
That's what Nazis do when they've been defeated.
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I recommend the German film "The Downfall" for a detailed look at how the Nazis behaved in defeat. It ain't pretty, and sure as hell ain't heroic.
As somone said the end of Nazi Germany was not a heroic Gotterdamerung, but a bunch of rats trying to scurry to safety.
 
Belz... said:
Seems 9/11 Investigator has retreated all the way back to his bunker.
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No, he has instead returned to this thread in the History, Literature, and the Arts subforum.

When he's got so much reality to deny, it naturally keeps him busy.
 
dudalb said:
I recommend the German film "The Downfall" for a detailed look at how the Nazis behaved in defeat. It ain't pretty, and sure as hell ain't heroic.
As somone said the end of Nazi Germany was not a heroic Gotterdamerung, but a bunch of rats trying to scurry to safety.
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I took my girlfriend to see Downfall when it was first released. I expected a normal cinema crowd but the entire audience was elderly europeans who were having animated conversations before and after the film. I don't know if they were Germans, Jewish victims or ex-Nazis but it was odd. It is a great film.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Let me just remind everyone that Dr. Adequate was banned for injudicious remarks about the other thing Nazis do when they've been defeated.

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Is he? He was one of my few opponents during the 9/11 exchange for whom I could feel a modicum of respect.

Anyway:

Interesting recent article in the Telegraph by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard (or was it his brother :D)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...itchard/7909432/The-Death-of-Paper-Money.html

Lots of interesting, almost Buchanan-esque remarks about post-Versailles Germany:

First the description of the mechanism through the example of Weimar Germany of how paper money can lose it's value almost overnight if everybody tries to get rid of their paper money. It is an event that will happen unexpected, to begin with in the US.

As it happens, another book from the 1970s entitled "When Money Dies: the Nightmare of The Weimar Hyper-Inflation" has just been reprinted. Written by former Tory MEP Adam Fergusson -- endorsed by Warren Buffett as a must-read -- it is a vivid account drawn from the diaries of those who lived through the turmoil in Germany, Austria, and Hungary as the empires were broken up.

Near civil war between town and country was a pervasive feature of this break-down in social order. Large mobs of half-starved and vindictive townsmen descended on villages to seize food from farmers accused of hoarding...

A conspiracy theory took root that the inflation was a Jewish plot to ruin Germany. The currency became known as "Judefetzen" (Jew- confetti), hinting at the chain of events that would lead to Kristallnacht a decade later...

The final trigger for the 1923 collapse was the French occupation of the Ruhr, which ripped a great chunk out of German industry and set off mass resistance.

Lloyd George suspected that the French were trying to precipitate the disintegration of Germany by sponsoring a break-away Rhineland state (as indeed they were)...

The Carthaginian peace of Versailles had by then poisoned everything. It was a patriotic duty not to pay taxes that would be sequestered for reparation payments to the enemy. Influenced by the Bolsheviks, Germany had become a Communist cauldron. Spartakists tried to take Berlin. Worker `soviets' proliferated. Dockers and shipworkers occupied police stations and set up barricades in Hamburg. Communist Red Centuries fought deadly street battles with right-wing militia.
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And guess who constituted the leadership of these Bolshevik uprisings? :rolleyes:

Mind you, we are talking about the consequences of Versailles here.
 
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For people who don't have the time to read Buchanan's book we are discussing here (that is you), here a short 2 page summary of the great revisionist Master himself:

Did Hitler Want War?

by Patrick J. Buchanan
 
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9/11-investigator said:
And guess who constituted the leadership of these Bolshevik uprisings?
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Well, according to "The Jewish Enemy: Nazi Propaganda During World War II and the Holocaust" by Jeffrey Herf, Jeffrey (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2008. P 96,) out of 21 members of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik party in April 1917, there were three "ethnic" Jews: Lev Kamenev, Grigory Zinoviev, and Yakov Sverdlov.

Your point?
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Today this article in a large Dutch magazine:

http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Nieuws/E...h-passioneel-in-voor-EUtoetreding-Turkije.htm

Cameron is 'passionately' advocating Turkey's entry into the EU, against the wish of the majority of the European population. An estimated 30 million Turks are expected to pack their suitcases to move to Europe in the coming decades.

Why does Cameron want that? Answer: traditional insular British politics of wanting to see a divided Europe. They always fought against a dominant France and later a dominant Germany and again later against a Soviet-dominated Europe (this after the actions of Britain in 1939 and later brought the USSR in that position in the first place).

Britain will do anything to destroy Europe. We in continental Europe (Germany, France, Russia) should understand who the enemy is. And we should say so and we should act against them after the US commits suicide in this decade. This suicide will come about as a consequence of one or a combination of the following events:

- 9/11 truth coming out (somebody posting one of the many confiscated videos of the Pentagon showing a no-plane explosion from within)
- rampant inflation after the crash of the $ (see article)
- as a consequence of an attack on Iran (Iran as a Chinese/Russian proxy shuts of Hormuz street and destroys American army in Iraq and Afghanistan)
- civil war as a result of ethnic strife
- cesession of states

It is obvious that revisionist thinking is slowly taking root in the Anglo world, thanks again through the internet. Several posters here have requested to shut down the discussion on the holocaust because they fear where it all will lead to: the loss of moral supremacy of the Anglos.

What are you going to do about it?
Your time is up. Be ready for a rough ride on the way down!
 
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TSR said:
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Well, according to "The Jewish Enemy: Nazi Propaganda During World War II and the Holocaust" by Jeffrey Herf, Jeffrey (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2008. P 96,) out of 21 members of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik party in April 1917, there were three "ethnic" Jews: Lev Kamenev, Grigory Zinoviev, and Yakov Sverdlov.

Your point?
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I was talking about Germany, but if you insist talking about Russia:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
"Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka," wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, "stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator."20 In Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history...

In light of all this, it should not be surprising that Yakov M. Yurovksy, the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murder of the Tsar and his family, was Jewish, as was Sverdlov, the Soviet chief who co-signed Lenin's execution order.
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In his 1920 book, British veteran journalist Robert Wilton offered a similarly harsh assessment:24

The whole record of Bolshevism in Russia is indelibly impressed with the stamp of alien invasion. The murder of the Tsar, deliberately planned by the Jew Sverdlov (who came to Russia as a paid agent of Germany) and carried out by the Jews Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov and Yurovsky, is the act not of the Russian people, but of this hostile invader.
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http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-USSRchristians-usexpeditionaryforces.html
From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt. Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type." A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384 `commissars' including 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government."
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There you go. And something similar is happening now in the US with these 'neoconservatives' who grabbed political power using support from the media. 9/11 is to be seen as the equivalent of 1917. An event masterminded to abolish the Constitution ('Patriot Act') and prepare for a tyranny in the US based on 'terrorism' and anti-racism.

Unfortunately for the plotters of 9/11, the blogosphere and internet forums exploded months after the event.

The NWO plotters behind 9/11 are not going to survive the internet.
 
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