Who started both World Wars?

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My opponents collectively running for the hills, what an embarrassing sight! :D

Throwing bombs from 10 km altitude on defenseless women and children is one thing but confronting real opposition on the ground is something different altogether. Then these impotent sneering oneliners will not suffice and you know it. And what is valid for a forum applies to a soccer field or a the battle field. They can't even drill a hole in the ground without blowing up their entire country. When there are no Russians around to bail them out they get their a**** kicked by Vietnamese, Somalies, Lebanese or Afghans.

I predict that you cannot even agree on an orderly 'glorious' retreat towards the Channel!

And besides, you don't have the mental strength to get rid of me, you adore me too much, Stockholm style. :D
 
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9/11-investigator said:
My opponents collectively running for the hills, what an embarrassing sight! :D

Throwing bombs from 10 km altitude on defenseless women and children is one thing but confronting real opposition on the ground is something different altogether. Then these impotent sneering oneliners will not suffice and you know it. And what is valid for a forum applies to a soccer field or a the battle field. They can't even drill a hole in the ground without blowing up their entire country. When there are no Russians around to bail them out they get their a**** kicked by Vietnamese, Somalies, Lebanese or Afghans.

I predict that you cannot even agree on an orderly 'glorious' retreat towards the Channel!

And besides, you don't have the mental strength to get rid of me, you adore me too much, Stockholm style. :D
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Dodge noted.

There should be a smiley for that.
 
The Fallen Serpent said:
My unfortunate US History education has apparently misled me. I was under the impression that the two wars were started for different reasons by different people.
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Bolded part, no more truer words will be spoken in this thread than those.
Whether you were misled about this subject is another matter.
 
Still nothing on the German bombing of Polish cities? Unsurprising. Bye then.

Aaah, so much better to not see nein/11's posts.
 
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Can I ask my opponents to make themselves useful for a change and list the first German bombing raids of WW2, including date? Thanks in advance.

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Mönchengladbach May 11./12. 1940. (small detail: on the very day that Churchill became PM)
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"Hi, I'm your new PM. Go bomb something!"
Germans

Rotterdam May 14, 1940
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What were the targets on each raid? And do you think Picasso would say Rotterdam was the first German bombing raid? (Or are you being selective again and ignoring anything that makes your theory look lame?)
 
Gawdzilla said:
"Hi, I'm your new PM. Go bomb something!"
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Looks like it. Or do you think that some lone pilot in Kent thought: "I am bored to death... you know what?... I go for an aerial stroll and bomb some Kraut city, just for the heck of it".

What were the targets on each raid? And do you think Picasso would say Rotterdam was the first German bombing raid? (Or are you being selective again and ignoring anything that makes your theory look lame?)
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You tell me what the targets were. It was 'your' airforce (or that of your buddies rather).

Picasso, Picasso... you mean that (partly) Jewish life long loyal communist (but I repeat myself) who created this simpleton sorry excuse for art? My little nephew can do better than that. But he is not the snake oil salesman that Picasso was so probably will not be as famous as Pablo was.

http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/jewart2.html
"Yet, except for his vitality, there is nothing very Spanish about his mind. Its mercurial restlessness, expediency, flashness, marks not the Andalusian but the Jewish constituent in his character: for he changes colour like a chameleon... At first a painter of promise, he soon became the freak, the world's stunter. He was swift to recognize that the day was to the arriviste, and to paint well required too much time. The race was to the swift, and no-one knew better than the art-boy, Picasso, how to create wonderment swiftly and to bring the Press to his aid and the dealers to his feet. Each fresh audacity, each rabbit from the conjuror's hat, made his shallow audience squirm with delight; and that sardonic mouth must have curled with satisfaction as Picasso watched the cod-eyed groundlings bite on his bait. He was sustained always by the actor's vanity, and unable to live outside a blaze of publicity that stimulated his performance.

We are talking about the guy who as late as 1950 received the [drumroll] "Lenin Peace Price" out of the hands of the Soviet government. That kinda guy. But we can be sure that Gawdzilla is a fervent supporter of communism anywhere in the world, be it Eastern Europe, North-Korea or Spain (and soon in the US), as he is clearly hinting at with his Guernica reference.

Question: what is the meaning of a 'peace price' out of the hands of a Jewish revolutionary (but I repeat myself) who was responsible for the murdering of the entire Russian aristocratic class?

Forget it. Rethorical question.

The bombing of Rotterdam was terrible from my Dutch perspective. But the time that we look at and mourn about isolated events is over. We are now concerned with reconstruction of the big picture. The bombing of Rotterdam was a necessity from the German perspective of a swift occupation of coastal areas of Western Europe to prevent a British invasion from happening as it had happened in Norway days earlier (totally screwed up of course by the British Clouseaus). In WW1 the unexpected crossing of the Channel by a British expedition army had led to the failure of the Schlieffen plan, the stalemate on the battle field and the American entry in the war with catastrophic results for Germany. In order to understand this propperly we first have to discuss Versailles.
 
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Well, I have to confess, "Picasso was a Communist Jew, therefore the German Luftwaffe's terror bombing of Guernica (two years before the German invasion of Poland caused England to declare war) never really happened" is certainly a novel argument.

It's certainly more original than "The German terror bombing of Rotterdam was necessary, therefore it doesn't count".
 
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SanityGap said:
No mention of Tyler Kent then?
A clue-he was a spy. Now you work the rest out. You need the practice.
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Reykjavik, chess match Fisher-Spasski. At some point Spasski looks up from the chess board and asks Fisher for advice for Spasski's next move.

Morale: you make your own points, I make mine.
 
Thunder said:
Funny how 9-11 does not include the German attack upon Poland in 1938.
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Strange kind of humor you have. The reason why nein/11{tm} (it is indeed very funny) does not include the German attack upon Poland is because we first have to discuss Versailles. So far we have discussed the chronology until August 1914, remember?

Keep up the good work, Thunder.
 
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Can I ask my opponents to make themselves useful for a change and list the first German bombing raids of WW2, including date? Thanks in advance.

Score so far:

RAF

Mönchengladbach May 11./12. 1940. (small detail: on the very day that Churchill became PM)


Germans

Rotterdam May 14, 1940
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Are you trying to argue that WWII started on 11 MAY 1940?

If you stopped getting distracted then perhaps you'd get down to establishing a coherent argument that someone other than Germany started WWI and someone other than Germany and Russia started WWII.
 
9/11-investigator said:
The bombing of Rotterdam was a necessity from the German perspective of a swift occupation of coastal areas of Western Europe to prevent a British invasion from happening as it had happened in Norway days earlier (totally screwed up of course by the British Clouseaus).
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And the bombing of the industrial centres of Germany by the Allies was not a necessity to curtail German war production?
 
9/11-investigator said:
The only race who is able to set and implement interplanetary goals is now framed in a diabolical dialectical prison of words (racism, equality, terrorism) and historic lies (the 'Good War', H-word, 9/11), designed by Jews aimed at the dumbing down through mongrelization and subsequent destruction of European Civilization, both here and in America (but America has an 'Uncle Tom head start'). The escape from that prison, the survival of the white race and the resurrection of that Civilization (in Europe), that's what is at stake here.
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I would say when a relative of Adolph Eichmann is married to a black guy and planning to have kids this year, people like you are on their way out and are just drunkenly shouting at the bouncer.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Links related Buchanan's book:

Straight from Pat's living room, 90 minutes discussion of his book and his library:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2426421007058157682#
One of the last sane last-of-the-Mohicans conservative voices from a dying America. Mentions the Lusitania and 'surrounding conspiracy theories' in passing. Go to 1:03:00 and listen to the apocaliptic view of the Christian West: Cafe Terminus, he calls it.
That's right Pat, the Christian West is dead. The kissie-kissie-love-theigh-neighbour Christian West is dead. Just in time. So the most interesting question now is: what comes next? Can you spell the word 'tribal'?

http://antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=13039
Buchanan responds to criticism of (self-hating Jew?) Christopher Hitchins

http://antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=13021
Similar, also responding to Newsweek review

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6146851864885849108&hl=nl&emb=1#
Victor Davis Hanson and Christopher Hitchens take on the World War II revisionists, focusing first on Patrick J. Buchanan, the author, most recently, of Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War.
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I watched the first Buchanan video. Great stuff. Not a mention of Zionism, in particular Churchill's position as Zionist front man as per Irving. Not a mention of Irving ! Not a mention of money, finance, oil, economics, etc. It is as Irving says, the historians write their books after reading the books of other historians. However, given that universe, Buchanan does a great job. I'm looking forward to hearing the critics.
 
Corsair 115 said:
And the bombing of the industrial centres of Germany by the Allies was not a necessity to curtail German war production?
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Sure it was. Your point?

Again, what is at stake here in this thread is to 'annotate' that WW2 was the 'good war' and while we are at it try to establish who in fact really wanted the war(s).

Regarding that last point:

Buchanan was so kind to make clear to us that although at first sight it is true that everybody blundered into WW1, from a long term strategic perspective it was Britain who had never had accepted the existence of Germany in the first place and that an influential minority around Grey (later seconded by Churchill) had set a trap for Germany in the form of this secret agreement with France, that it would come to it's aide in case of an armed conflict with Germany. The British expedition force was the great surprise for the Germans and the cause of Germanies defeat. The subsequent behavior of the English and French at Versailles made their true attitudes all too clear. The Germans did not want war but were confronted with a mobilizing Russia and a France (ever since 1870 looking for revanche for the loss of Elzas-Lotharingen) that refused to declare itself neutral, forcing the Germans to act (well in their own eyes at least) to commence the flight forward in order to prevent being crushed in a two front war from a hopeless geostrategic position.
 
Redtail said:
I would say when a relative of Adolph Eichmann is married to a black guy and planning to have kids this year, people like you are on their way out and are just drunkenly shouting at the bouncer.
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I just figured out why 9/11 Investigator sticks around here; this is one of the few "Mainstream" sites the will tolerate his Racist Bullcrap. Most would have sent him out the door along time ago.
And it is so boring preaching to the converted on the White Supremists sites.
 
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