Who started both World Wars?

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9/11-investigator said:
So far I have only written one blog.
It is indeed about Jews who did 9/11.

Your point?
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did you only read one source for this, as with buchanan?

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P.S. That nein/11 is indeed very funny, but it was invented a few posts earlier by Gawdzilla.
Give him credit for it will ya. You are not as original as you want us to think you are.
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thought it was obvious I didn't come up with it. i wasn't aware i put a tm at the end proclaiming that i registered it and was so awesome for coming up with it.

If it's ok with the rest of the members i'll just call you the lying dutchman, which isn't mine either, but it does describe you better.
 
In order to complete chapter 2 some final remarks:

P.63 - The importance of Grey's secret collusion with France is difficult to overstate... by secretly committing Britain to war for France, Grey, Churchill, and Asquith left the Kaiser and German Chancellor in the dark, unaware a war with France meant war with the British Empire.
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About Churchill:

p.65 - Even friendly biographers and memoirists seem astonished by Winston Churchill's lust for war in 1914...

In 1911, the Turks had sounded out Great Britain on an alliance, but Churchill. "with the arrogance of his class in that time, had replied that they had ideas above their station."... Churchill's insults would prove costly. On August 2, Germany and Turkey signed a secret alliance and in 1915 Turkish troops inflicted on British and Anzac troops at Gallipoli one of the greatest Allied defeats of the war.

And when British divisions crossed the Channel, the troops were sent, as the secret war plans dictated, not to brave little Belgium but straight to France.

How did the American people see the war in Europe? "On August 5 the British Navy dredged up and cut the German cables, and on August 6 there was not a single Berlin or Vienna dateline from the American press." The First Lord had made certain the British would decide how the Americans viewed their war.
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End of chapter 2

Chapter 3 will be mainly about Versailles
 
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upgrayedd said:
did you only read one source for this, as with buchanan?
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Nope, months of discussions on Dutch forums, endless videos, web sites, articles, and finally hundreds of posts on this site.

If it's ok with the rest of the members i'll just call you the lying dutchman, which isn't mine either, but it does describe you better.
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That's excellent. That will prove my point, which I have made repeatedly, that Anglos always avoid real discussion and directly go for the sneer and smear and attempt to demonize the opponent.
 
9/11-investigator said:
That's excellent. That will prove my point, which I have made repeatedly, that Anglos always avoid real discussion and directly go for the sneer and smear and attempt to demonize the opponent.
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The 'Anglos' don't need to, you do a fine enough job on your own.
 
9/11-investigator said:
That's excellent. That will prove my point, which I have made repeatedly, that Anglos always avoid real discussion and directly go for the sneer and smear and attempt to demonize the opponent.
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Those anglo bastards. No wonder you won't steep to their level and reply with facts instead of concentrating on pointing out how horrible all anglos are. They clearly don't deserve any better.
 
SanityGap said:
"Mr. Lipsky served in the U.S. Armed Forces and wrote for Stars and Stripes while in Vietnam." Yup, seems pretty un-American to me.
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So Lipsky was in Vietnam when there was conscription in the US?
I am impressed!
And you say that he wrote in some magazine?
Risking his own life no doubt? Had installed his old Remington between the warring parties?

So what did he write about in the far away country... let me guess... antisemitism in Vietnam?
 
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I also noticed he didn't reply to your post, which says a lot in my book.
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Well, that isn't surprising, really. When the facts prove inconvenient to his position, all he can offer is rhetoric that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.


9/11-investigator said:
GAnglo-American strategic bombers, according to official sources of the West German government in 1962, dropped 2,690,000 metric tons of bombs on Continental Europe; 1,350,000 tons were dropped on Germany within its 1937 boundaries; 180,000 tons on Austria and the Balkans; 590,000 tons on France; 370,000 tons on Italy; and 200,000 tons on miscellaneous targets such as Bohemia, Slovakia and Poland. By contrast, Germany dropped a total of 74,172 tons of bombs as well as V-1 and V-2 rockets and "buzz bombs" on Britain – five percent of what the Anglo-Saxons rained down on Germany.
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All that proves is that the Allies were (a) able to produce the necessary weaponry in much greater amounts than Germany was able to; and (b) that they put this production advantage to maximum use.

The RAF nighttime 'area' bombing campaign will always be controversial. There is little doubt, however, that the daylight 'precision' campaign of the USAAF was a critical component in crippling the German war economy. The Oil and Transportation Plans, in particular, were highly effective. The irony is that, by early 1945, the RAF had the capacity to bomb at night almost as accurately as the U.S. did by day (even better, in some cases). But that capability was never put to real use because Harris simply didn't believe 'precision' bombing worked, even when shown the evidence that it did. He was too wedded to the pre-war theories of air power.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
So Lipsky was in Vietnam when there was conscription in the US?
I am impressed!
And you say that he wrote in some magazine?
Risking his own life no doubt? Had installed his old Remington between the warring parties?

So what did he write about in the far away country... let me guess... antisemitism in Vietnam?
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Stars and Stripes is the official American military servicemembers' newspaper, run by the US Department of Defense but independent from it editorially. A number of its staff are active-duty military personnel, and always have been. The newspaper was first published during the American Civil War, and it has been in constant publication in Europe since 1942 and in the Pacific since 1945, and is often published very close to the front and under combat conditions during times of war.
 
ANTPogo said:
Stars and Stripes is the official American military servicemembers' newspaper, run by the US Department of Defense but independent from it editorially. A number of its staff are active-duty military personnel, and always have been. The newspaper was first published during the American Civil War, and it has been in constant publication in Europe since 1942 and in the Pacific since 1945, and is often published very close to the front and under combat conditions during times of war.
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LikeNavy News On Steroids :D
 
An interesting character to study for material for my blog is Archibald Maule Ramsay. Archibald who?

http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Archibald.Maule.Ramsay/The.Nameless.War/00.Introduction.htm

Captain Archibald Maule Ramsay was educated at Eton and the Royal Military College, Sandhurst, and served with the 2nd Battalion Coldstream Guards in the First World War...

From 1920 he became a Member of H.M. Scottish Bodyguard. In 1931 he was elected a Member of Parliament for Midlothian and Peeblesshire.

Arrested under Regulation 18b on the 23rd May, 1940, he was detained, without charge or trial, in a cell in Brixton Prison until the 26th September, 1944. On the following morning he resumed his seat in the House of Commons and remained there until the end of that Parliament in 1945.

So why was he arrested and thrown in a British jail for 4.5 years without trial and charge?

"Captain Ramsay, a Christian gentleman of unflagging courage, believed that the war with Germany was not conceived in the interests of Britain and could lead only to the extension of Communist and Jewish power. Because he warned his fellow countrymen of the forces at work, he was put in prison without trial for four and a half years, for 'reasons' so preposterous that those who framed them dared not submit them to a court of law."

Answer: he understood the political game that was played by the Jews in British politics. And said so.

From this chapter of The Nameless War it becomes clear that the British started bombing civilian targets in Germany on 11 May, 1940, 3 days before the German bombardment of Rotterdam. It is not easy to find references to the Freibug bombardment until we go to wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiburg_im_Breisgau
Freiburg was heavily bombed during World War II. First, in May 1940, Luftwaffe airplanes mistakenly dropped approximately 60 bombs on Freiburg near the train station, killing fifty-seven.

No exact date mentioned.

Than the German language Wikipedia:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiburg_im_Breisgau
Am 10. Mai 1940 bombardieren Flugzeuge der Deutschen Luftwaffe irrtümlich die Stadt. 57 Menschen fanden damals den Tod.

At least we now have a date: Mai 10.

What does Ramsay say?

And so civilian bombing [by England] started on the evening that the architect of the Norwegian fiasco became Prime Minister, viz., May 11th, 1940.


So what is happening here? Wikipedia says that Freiburg was bombed on the 10th 'by accident' by the Germans. Ramsay says that German civilian targets were bombed by the RAF of the very day that Churchill became PM.

Which targets does Ramsay mean?

Wait here is another source: http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/air/ac-abc40.html

Launching the Strategic Bombing Campaign (May 10-11, 1940)

The first German city to suffer a severe raid was Freiburg (May 10, 1940). Considerable controversy surrounded the attack. There were 57 people killed, many of whom were children in a playground. The Germans charged the city was bombed by the British or French. In fact it was the Luftwaffe. Luftwaffe pilots mistook Freiburg for Mühlhausen in Alsace. [Rumpf, p. 24.] The opening of the strategic bombing campaign against Germany can be dated to this time. The RAF bombed Mönchen-Gladbach (May 10-11). The raid was conducted at night, meaning that specific targets other than the city could not be targeted. The French strenuously opposed the raid, but 36 bombers struck the city. Little was gained and the British as the Allied position in France deteriorated did not have the capability=bili to immediately peruse the campaign, but this was the first raid in what was to become the Allied strategic bombing campaign. [Spaight]

OK, that's settled then: Mönchen-Gladbach

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mönchengladbach
Im Zweiten Weltkrieg fielen in Mönchengladbach die ersten Bomben in der Nacht zum Pfingstsonntag (11./12.Mai) 1940. Es war dies der erste (britische) Luftangriff überhaupt, der im 2. Weltkrieg gegen eine deutsche Stadt geflogen wurde. Der Angriff, der aus insgesamt 37 Flugzeugen erfolgte, galt vor allem dem Straßen- und Eisenbahnnetz in Mönchengladbach. Es wurden 5 Bombenabwürfe gezählt. Auch Rheydt wurde angegriffen. Weitere Flächenbombardements der Alliierten auf Mönchengladbach und Rheydt, auch im Rahmen der Moral bombing-Strategie, folgten in mehreren Großangriffen bis 1945.
 
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Can I ask my opponents to make themselves useful for a change and list the first German bombing raids of WW2, including date? Thanks in advance.

Score so far:

RAF

Mönchengladbach May 11./12. 1940. (small detail: on the very day that Churchill became PM)


Germans

Rotterdam May 14, 1940
 
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