Who started both World Wars?

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9/11-investigator said:
I simply want to preserve my nation as it is and their is no way you guys will be able to criminalise that endeavour.
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"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Samuel Johnson.

If there are other people in "your" nation who disagree with your aims, what of them? Are they automatically wrong? How are they and their views to be dealt with, in your world view?

And just how did "your" nation achieve this level of perfection that you feel is quickly and irrevocably eroding? By being stagnant or by evolving and changing? And if it has changed over the years, do you think there may have been people who, at the time of the change, felt that it was not going the way that they wanted and would have endeavored to do things to "preserve (their) nation?"

Michael
 
WWI? I would think a complex topic of initiation would not be lumped with the next war.

WWII started by a syphilitic insane NAZI who turned out to be a simpleminded murderer; a nut case NAZI; like all NAZIs unable to grasp reality and take action past total failure due to extreme ignorance.
 
many would argue that the Treaty of Versaille, pushed mostly by the French to put Germany in debt until 1984, was one of the main causes of WW2.
 
Thunder said:
many would argue that the Treaty of Versaille, pushed mostly by the French to put Germany in debt until 1984, was one of the main causes of WW2.
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One of the factors in the European theater of WWII. It had almost nothing whatsoever to do with the Pacific or African theaters.
 
Uzzy said:
Fundamental misreading of history here from 9/11 guy. The Tirpitz plan was solely designed around threatening the UK into an agreement with Germany. It's well known that the Kaiser wanted a navel fleet, but he primarily wanted Cruisers, which with their longer range could do useful things. Tirpitz decided instead to concentrate on building Battleships and Dreadnoughts, which only had an operational range of the North Sea. This was essentially a dagger pointed at the throat of the UK, as the German High Seas Fleet could be used to blockade the home islands quite well. Is it any wonder that the Royal Navy pulled a lot of ships back for home defence? Various Naval Laws in Germany committed more and more resources to building battleships.

Those Battleships had one purpose, to intimidate the British into coming to an arrangement with Germany. The opposite happened, and Britain came out of splendid isolation with a series of treaties, starting with the Anglo-Japanese treaty of 1902, signed to ensure that British colonies in Asia would be safer. Later agreements with France and Russia were designed around the same thing. Resolving colonial conflicts so that Britain could concentrate on defending the home islands.

Further, the Kaiser made quite a famous blunder in an interview with the Daily Telegraph, where he insulted the British, French, Russians and Japanese all in one fell swoop. Add in the Kaiser's continual interference in Morocco, or his actions regarding Saladin's tomb, and it's easy to see why Britain, France and Russia saw the Kaiser's Germany as an aggressive, hostile state. Germany had, after all, been born in blood barely fifty years earlier in two wars.

A response to these points would be welcome.
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Anything from you 9/11 guy? Or you just going to change the subject again?
 
Thunder said:
many would argue that the Treaty of Versaille, pushed mostly by the French to put Germany in debt until 1984, was one of the main causes of WW2.
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German complaints about it, true. It's harshness is overstated, given comparative treaties at the time, such as the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.
 
Uzzy said:
German complaints about it, true. It's harshness is overstated, given comparative treaties at the time, such as the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.
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a major issue was germany's attempts to deal with it, they had to pay the reparation in gold or foreign currency, which caused the mark to devalue, when germany had exhausted their treasury reserves they attempted to purchase more foreign currency with their (devalued) marks, which devalued them further and ultimately led to some of the worst hyperinflation in history

while the reparations (and the annual payments demanded by the london ultimatum) were pretty steep it was the mismanagement of the german economy (which could also be attributed to the impotence of the weimar goverment) that caused the problem, but the treaty provided an easy scapegoat that allowed the nazi party to come to power

Loss Leader said:
One of the factors in the European theater of WWII. It had almost nothing whatsoever to do with the Pacific or African theaters.
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yes, but its clear 9/11-investigator is ignoring anything that happened outside of europe
 
defaultdotxbe said:
yes, but its clear 9/11-investigator is ignoring anything that happened outside of europe
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Considering his nutty claims, it is safe to say he also is ignoring everything that actually happens inside Europe, in favor of his Nazi worship.
 
9/11-investigator said:
No surprise that Nizkor hosts this attack, keen as it is to demonize the Germans to the hilt and keep the myth of Anglo sainthood alive.
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This is an entire universe of straw of your own making.

No one is saying that the GERMANS are evil. The Nazi leaders were evil, and many people severaly erred in their judgment to follow their example.

No one is saying that "anglos", whatever the hell that means, are saints.

You are simply arguing against a void, here.
 
9/11-investigator said:
I am wondering if there is still any doubt about my agenda? I have been repeatedly very clear about it in the recent past. To sum it up: we are living in the so-called uni-polar moment, meaning Anglosphere the top-dog in the world as a front for the Jews who really run the place.
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What's funny is that sentiments like this are part of the reason for WWII. So you have your answer in part. "Who started both world wars" is people like you.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Is that true? Let's start a little quiz. Here a list of possible candidates:

1) Germany
2) England
3) France
4) Poland
5) America
6) 'The Jews'
7) Hitler
8) Churchill
9) Norway
10) Kazakhstan (according to the latest insights as proposed by carlitos and TSR a European country)
11) Other, namely...
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Why isn't Serbia in there?
 
9/11-investigator said:
I do not portray them as victims, nor as saints.
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Not, in fact, true; you're portraying every German demand as reasonable, every German action as moral, every Allied response as proactive, every Allied action as aggression, and ignoring or denying anything that you can't shoehorn into your white-and-black pseodohistory

9/11-investigator said:
I simply want to preserve my nation as it is and their is no way you guys will be able to criminalise that endeavour.
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Nor is there any way you can possibly succeed. It's not even logically possible; a state of change is fundamentally a part of your nation as it is, and by freezing it in time you would destroy it.

But it's of no importance. You're doomed to fail, and become increasingly bitter as you see how comprehensively you've failed. History has already judged you and your kind, and no significant group of people is interested in hearing your appeal.

Dave
 
brantc said:
It has nothing to do with the Jews per se...

It just that the Rothschilds who happen to be one of the worlds wealthiest families, are Jewish.

I dont think that means anything to them at his point but they do control the worlds money system of which the Japanese are a part of.

And the Yakuza control Japans government. They get paid by the Rothschilds.

The American(IBS) bankers control America, which are controlled by Rothschilds.

So it would be very easy to start a war especially when you control the media.
That would be Rupert Murdoch(Jew) who is friends with, you guessed it, the Rothschilds.

"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.” Gutle Schnaper (Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife speaking on her deathbed in 1849)

It has nothing to do with being Jewish but more to do with money although they sure think they are the chosen ones when you listen to Israelis talk.

PEOPLE WHO RUN THE WORLD
http://www.iosworld.org/people_who_run_the_world.htm
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Rupert Murdoch is not a Jew and the Rothschilds are passé.
 
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