Who started both World Wars?

[uke2se]

When mighty Italy decided to invade Albania, they could not get the job done by themselves and even requested help from Germany.

Nein11 continues his tradition of getting historical facts wrong and selling short Germany's allies.

Italy didn't need help with Albania. It needed help with Greece. Minor point, but another that demonstrates Nein11's poor grasp on history.

 

[Shangrila]

Nein11 continues his tradition of getting historical facts wrong and selling short Germany's allies.

Italy didn't need help with Albania. It needed help with Greece. Minor point, but another that demonstrates Nein11's poor grasp on history.

It's better than his excuse for why Japan should be ignored too.

Apparently....because they're short.

 

[Hans]

Historical note: 9/11 is forgetting that Germany had other allies the Roumanians who had a fair army as did the Hungarians plus units from various Yugoslav fractions. Not to forget the brave Finns who helped the Germans too - against the Soviets only however. Even the Italians sent 200,000 men to the Eastern front, the Spanish sent the Blue Division and the Nazis were able to raise facists to fight for them from many European countries.

The true fact remains Hitler created his own defeat. He attacked the Soviet Union instead of agreeing with Stalin to split the world - which Stalin would have probably agreed to - the Soviets going south into Turkey, Persia plus the Middle East then India to realize their warm water port dream. He attacked a country and people he despised and underestimated their ability to resist - that cost the Third Reich its existence.

Hitler and Germany were also supplying Italy and their Balkan allies with equipment and resources. Spain didn't join the axis because Franco demanded to much in resources. Without German supplies of fuel oil the Italian fleet and airforce would have gone dry in 1941 I believe.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So nothing but random dodging, goal-post moving, red herrings, and attempted derails. That was not unexpected.

Shangrila flees as soon as Jews-did-911 comes on the table. No surprises here.

Though I love how you broke down exactly how you made up the 1:7 lie.

...by randomly giving the U.S. 90 million more people than it actually had, the Soviets an extra 60 million, and similar increases for all the other Allies, and by ignoring Germany's allies.

Shangrila resents to be described as a 1:7 lilliputian and insists to be described as 1:6 or even 1:5 lilliputian. Fine with me. I was surprised to learn that the US merely had 135 million inhabitants in 1941, I wrongly was extrapolating the number of 220 million from 300 million today by comparing it with demographic developments in Holland and other European countries, forgetting that the US currently has 120 million imported third worlders as a consequence of the killing of JFK (because of that event the Jew Lyndon B. Johnson became president and the first thing he did was signing this act, which had been lobbied for for more than 80 years by the American Jews. With that act the death warrant of Euro-America had been signed. Not difficult to understand who murdered Hitler admirer JFK, who wanted to abolish the Jewish owned FED and prevent Israel from acquiring nukes and was warning against 'secret societies' (read Jewish run masonic clubs). With the murder of glamourous JFK Euro-America effectively was murdered as well; where is Hitler when you need him! Don't forget to go to the holocaust museum in your village next weekend, my dear Euro-American friends!)

Shangrila writes:

It's better than his excuse for why Japan should be ignored too.

Apparently....because they're short.

The answer of course is that like you don't nuke kindergarten, you don't nuke Japanese. Shangrila refuses to comment the fact that America only had 300,000 casualties where the Soviets had 50 times as much. Reason: Japanese are no serious fighting force, children basically as compared to the German SS. The difference is racial, but that is a forbidden topic in the NWO.

P.S. it was indeed Greece, not Albania where the Italians needed help from the Germans. It does not change the argument. The truth is that beneath the Alps everything, except food, is of little interest to me. For me there is no difference worth mentioning between Albanese and Greeks, the latter being a bunch of olive-pickers who retire at 50, paid for by the northern Europeans, who need to retire at 67 soon. Cannot wait until we get rid of that bunch, out of the euro to start with. As a nice implicit side effect we would get rid of Turkey as well, that soon 100 million muslim nation (2030), that the Jewish controlled US desperately wants to see member of the EU... in order to weaken Europe. Again Paris-Berlin-Moscow is the recipe for survival of our kind. Let's liquidate the West before it is too late.

 

[Tolls]

I see he's still avoiding my question in favour of ranting on about god-knows-what nonsense. But he doesn't have time to answer!

Considering how long it took him to even attempt an answer to the Czech occupation I won't be holding my breath.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I see he's still avoiding my question in favour of ranting on about god-knows-what nonsense. But he doesn't have time to answer!

Considering how long it took him to even attempt an answer to the Czech occupation I won't be holding my breath.

Czech independence was an Anglo invention in Versailles, it had never been independent before, this Habsburgian entity. And not a single shot was fired, in contrast with Holland, France, Norway, real historic nations. Czecho-Slovakia fell apart at the first opportunity, just like that other Anglo invention: Iraq (or ethnically cleansed rather, just like future America). But I agree that it was a geostrategic mistake to provoke the Anglo-predators, the traditional enemy of Europe in this way.

Again, the key to break this unfavorable balance of power is the EU + alliance with Russia. This is how winners look. 750 million Europeans are enough to break the back of jewish run Anglosphere, which has only one mission in life: the final solution of the white race. If necessary a temporarily alliance with China could be advocated: just like Britain promised Palestine to the Jews in return for destruction of Germany (in return for the Jews bringing their American colony in the WW1-game), we Europeans can give Australia + New Zealand to China to buy them off and alleviate their overpopulation and give Britain to Euro-Islam as compensation for their removal from continental Europe. The Anglos of course could come to their senses and use the unexpected golden opportunity of 9/11 as a cause for some thorough house cleaning. Don't hold your breath though. The Anglo anti-European resentment, based in a deep historic inferiority complex of the huddled masses, could in the end be stronger than the urge of having a good look in the mirror to discover who they really are. As suggested before, maybe 20 millions of Euro-Americans can be repatriated to Euro-Siberia after the inevitable balkanization of America, the rest is ready for a soft Brasilian style 'death'.

 

[Corsair 115]

Shangrila refuses to comment the fact that America only had 300,000 casualties where the Soviets had 50 times as much. Reason: Japanese are no serious fighting force, children basically as compared to the German SS.

Hmmm, I would think the reason why the Soviets suffered far more casualties is because Germany invaded their country. And the subsequent battles were fought on their soil for much of the war. The U.S. in contrast was protected by two oceans which made invading it problematic to say the least. Its ground forces didn't get into direct large-scale fighting with the Germans until 1943. We can also add to that the difference between American and Russian military doctrine and tactics (the U.S. tended to not expend the lives of its soldiers needlessly; the Russians did).

 

[Tolls]

witter witter witter witter.

I see you found time to post that lot and still failed to answer the Pearl Harbour-related one.

I'll even repost it here:

"So...do you admit that the US forces inthe Pacific were put on war alert some 10 days prior to the attack?"

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Again, the key to break this unfavorable balance of power is the EU + alliance with Russia. This is how winners look. 750 million Europeans are enough to break the back of jewish run Anglosphere, which has only one mission in life: the final solution of the white race. If necessary a temporarily alliance with China could be advocated: just like Britain promised Palestine to the Jews in return for destruction of Germany (in return for the Jews bringing their American colony in the WW1-game), we Europeans can give Australia + New Zealand to China to buy them off and alleviate their overpopulation and give Britain to Euro-Islam as compensation for their removal from continental Europe. The Anglos of course could come to their senses and use the unexpected opportunity of 9/11 as a cause for some thorough house cleaning. Don't hold your breath though. The Anglo anti-European resentment, based in a deep historic inferiority complex of the huddled masses, could in the end be stronger than the urge of having a good look in the mirror to discover who they really are. As suggested before, maybe 20 millions of Euro-Americans can be repatriated to Euro-Siberia after the inevitable balkanization of America, the rest is ready for a soft Brasilian style 'death'.

This is why California voted against making their marijuana laws similar to Amsterdams.

 

[dtugg]

The nazi is getting crazier and crazier.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I see you found time to post that lot and still failed to answer the Pearl Harbour-related one.

I'll even repost it here:

"So...do you admit that the US forces inthe Pacific were put on war alert some 10 days prior to the attack?"

I gave you the answer, but you did not pay attention... here it is again:

So... do you admit that the Israelis warned the Americans that an attack was coming and that the attack succeeded anyway?

Scroll to "What Did Israel Know?"

 

[Tolls]

I gave you the answer, but you did not pay attention... here it is again:

So... do you admit that the Israelis warned the Americans that an attack was coming and that the attack succeeded anyway?

Scroll to "What Did Israel Know?"

I ignored it because it was irrelevant.

The US forces in the Pacific were put on war alert...how is some alledged warning re:911 relevant in any way to that?

 

[dtugg]

I gave you the answer, but you did not pay attention... here it is again:

So... do you admit that the Israelis warned the Americans that an attack was coming and that the attack succeeded anyway?

Scroll to "What Did Israel Know?"

Does the nazi realize that he answered a question about Pearl Harbor by saying that Israel warned the US about 9/11? Even if he was trying to change the subject, he has contradicted himself since he thinks the joooos did 9/11 (huge shocker, right).

 

[9/11-investigator]

I ignored it because it was irrelevant.

The US forces in the Pacific were put on war alert...how is some alledged warning re:911 relevant in any way to that?

Sigh. The essence of course is that an unspecific warning is useless in preventing a desaster from happening. In this 9/11 was the same as PH.

 

[dafydd]

Does the nazi realize that he answered a question about Pearl Harbor by saying that Israel warned the US about 9/11? Even if he was trying to change the subject, he has contradicted himself since he thinks the joooos did 9/11 (huge shocker, right).

Our Turd Reich fan never answers a question,he just changes the subject.He has no answers.

 

[Tolls]

Sigh. The essence of course is that an unspecific warning is useless in preventing a desaster from happening. In this 9/11 was the same as PH.

Except that the warning stated that all forces in the Pacific should be on alert.
Which puts lie to your claim that Hawaii wasn't warned. Because it was, along with all other US bases.

Short was wrong. He made a mistake assuming that the Japanese would not strike at Pearl Harbour, but he also failed to place his command on a sufficiently alert footing. You can't have it both ways. Short can't both have been informed to be on alert (and failed) and also not be informed (and therefore a scapegoat).

 

[Dave Rogers]

Short was wrong. He made a mistake assuming that the Japanese would not strike at Pearl Harbour, but he also failed to place his command on a sufficiently alert footing.

That's slightly unfair to Short. He didn't anticipate a Japanese naval attack on PH, but he considered the possibility of saboteurs attacking the air bases. He therefore made sure that all the aircraft were parked in neat rows on the runways, where they could be easily guarded against sabotage, rather than having them dispersed about the perimeters where a saboteur could get at them more easily. Unfortunately, he was countering the wrong threat; when the IJN fighters strafed the airfields, they found their targets all nicely lined up ready for them. In conspiracy theorist la la land, I suppose that means that the war alert was just another part of the deception, and was a cunning double bluff to make the Japanese attack succeed more completely.

Dave

 

[Tolls]

That's slightly unfair to Short. He didn't anticipate a Japanese naval attack on PH, but he considered the possibility of saboteurs attacking the air bases. He therefore made sure that all the aircraft were parked in neat rows on the runways, where they could be easily guarded against sabotage, rather than having them dispersed about the perimeters where a saboteur could get at them more easily. Unfortunately, he was countering the wrong threat; when the IJN fighters strafed the airfields, they found their targets all nicely lined up ready for them. In conspiracy theorist la la land, I suppose that means that the war alert was just another part of the deception, and was a cunning double bluff to make the Japanese attack succeed more completely.

Dave

No. Fair point. But I decided not to confuse the already terribly confused 911 with information that he would undoubtedly fail to grasp. Saboteurs were viewed as the more likely threat to the forces at Pearl Harbour, and Short wasn't really alone in thinking that.

It is also fair to say that the Phillipines was considered the more likely target by far, hence reinforcing the idea that Pearl Harbour was not a target. Throw in a dose of good old prejudice, which I'm sure played a part, and you have the recipe for that Sunday.

But all that is probably far too subtle for someone who views it all as a conspiracy against the master race.

 

[Dave Rogers]

But I decided not to confuse the already terribly confused 911 with information that he would undoubtedly fail to grasp.

But where's the fun in that?

Dave

 

[Hans]

Czech independence was an Anglo invention in Versailles, it had never been independent before, this Habsburgian entity.

Another 9/11 essay on historical stupidity: he states, or more probably was told to believe the above.

The Přemyslids were a Czech royal dynasty which reigned in Bohemia and Moravia (9th century–1306), and partly also in Hungary, Silesia, Austria and Poland.

Hey what is four centuries to a historian of the caliber of 9/11 stance? LOL
Actually he probably knew about it but he just loves to lie, lie and lie some more.