Who started both World Wars?

[Pacal]

I forgot to mention that Hitler started the planning to invade Russia shortly after defeating France in 1940, (in july). Isn't it interesting that Stalin didn't attack in april-july 1940 when over 80% of German forces were in the west. Of course Hitler had no problems with turning over Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and 1/2 of Poland and part of Roumania to Stalin in 1939. Which indicates just how seriously he thought about defending those states from Communism.

 

[dtugg]

Too bad, I thought the nazi piece of garbage had left us.

 

[Uzzy]

Funny how nein/11 guy is ready to believe Hitler, yet not countless historians who have actually studied the period. Hitler, as Pacal mentioned, is a pathological liar who always claimed that he wanted peace and was forced to arms at the last moment. Unfortunately for Hitler's point of view, there's very clear evidence of preparations for Operation Barbarossa in late December 1940, with War Directive 21 being signed on December 18th 1940.

As for the amusing '3 German Divisions to 22 Soviet Divisions', we see that firstly, nein/11 guy is confusing East Prussia with the entire German/Soviet border, and that secondly, nein/11 guy really has no knowledge of Operation Barbarossa. The video nein/11 linked to has Hitler stating that only 3 German divisions were stationed in East Prussia, as opposed to 22 over the border. This is quite wrong, given that Army Group North, consisting of a whole 26 divisions, was stationed in East Prussia at the start of hostilities.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

As for the amusing '3 German Divisions to 22 Soviet Divisions', we see that firstly, nein/11 guy is confusing East Prussia with the entire German/Soviet border, and that secondly, nein/11 guy really has no knowledge of Operation Barbarossa. The video nein/11 linked to has Hitler stating that only 3 German divisions were stationed in East Prussia, as opposed to 22 over the border. This is quite wrong, given that Army Group North, consisting of a whole 26 divisions, was stationed in East Prussia at the start of hostilities.

I agree absolutely. Barbarossa was delayed a month by the Germans because Italy attacked Greece. Barbarossa was planned in advance and the deception methods Germany used to send supplies and troops to their staging posts are documented in thousands of documents. It is complete crap to say the Russians were preparing to attack......with what? The premier Russian troops were in the east and didn't get shiiped west until the Germans were outside Moscow.

 

[abenja1]

I can't believe 9/11 Investigator is still going after being proven wrong time and time again.

 

[Tolls]

I forgot to mention that Hitler started the planning to invade Russia shortly after defeating France in 1940, (in july). Isn't it interesting that Stalin didn't attack in april-july 1940 when over 80% of German forces were in the west. Of course Hitler had no problems with turning over Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and 1/2 of Poland and part of Roumania to Stalin in 1939. Which indicates just how seriously he thought about defending those states from Communism.

Hitlers planning for Barbarossa through 1940 has been pointed out to him, including links to show the mobilisation of further german forces throughout 1940, after the fall of France, but 9/11 was strangely silent about that. Possibly because it shows the whole "Hitler was the victim" thing as utter nonsense.

 

[Hans]

I can't believe 9/11 Investigator is still going after being proven wrong time and time again.

Sorry you cannot prove him wrong he is protected by the armour of denialism where he can deny anything to his expressed satisfaction.

He can deny WWII even happened.

One wonders why the evil allies didn't attack Germany while it had not rearmed, in the twenties and early thirties - odd they let them get to their apex of strength then started the war in 9/11 distorted world view.......LOL

 

[9/11-investigator]

I forgot to mention that Hitler started the planning to invade Russia shortly after defeating France in 1940, (in july). Isn't it interesting that Stalin didn't attack in april-july 1940 when over 80% of German forces were in the west.

It was Soviet strategy since the days of Lenin to wait for a war between the European nations so that they would weaken each other and that the USSR would be the laughing third. The Nazi invasion of may 1940 was a total surprise (but was triggered by the hostilities in Norway by the British and French).

Unfortunately for the Soviets (and Roosevelt) the Germans were finished with Western Europe in merely 6 weeks. Much to short a period of time for the Soviets to act, if they had wanted c.q. were ready for that. They were not. Stalin had planned for Bolshevation of Europe one year later.

 

[Chaos]

One subject at a time please, lets forget about the Jews for a moment...

Like you could ever do that. For you, like for Hitler, it is always and ever the Jews at the heart of everything.

Hitler says that Molotov visited him in Berlin. While there, Molotov came up with new demands: he wanted permission from Berlin that the USSR could swallow Finland, Rumania, Dardanelles, etc. Do you denie that? Hitler refused.

Yes... "Hitlers says". There´s your problem. Why should we believe Hitler when he makes an unfounded claim that just happens to say exactly what he needs it to say?

Do you deny that Stalin was mobilizing and had 22 divisions at the German-Russian frontier and the Germans only 3?

Do you deny that you only have unfounded Nazi claims to support this?

[quot€]I am saying that Suvorow confirms what Hitler says. Suvorow, who was a Soviet spy who defected to the West, confirmed that the USSR was indeed preparing for an assault on Western Europe. Germany was forced to carry out a pre-emptive attack. Hitler basically says the same thing. His only chance was a surprise attack.[/quote]

Hitler was a liar who needed an excuse for war. Suvorow was liar who needed something to make himself important to his new masters. I need evidence, not more lies.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Suvorow was liar who needed something to make himself important to his new masters.

I am curious to know who these 'new masters' supposedly are.

Suvorov defected to Britain. We can safely assume that the British establishment is not keen about learning the new truth according to Suvorov.

 

[uke2se]

I am curious to know who these 'new masters' supposedly are.

Suvorov defected to Britain. We can safely assume that the British establishment is not keen about learning the new truth according to Suvorov.

We can only safely assume that if we're going to follow up with a "therefore Hitler was right to attack". Suvorov didn't do any such thing, so we can't safely assume that the British weren't keen about hearing what Suvorov had to say.

 

[9/11-investigator]

It is painful to see my opponents studiously ignoring that the Soviets being their ally in reality destroys any claim of moral superiority of the Anglos over the Germans. In fact they are the moral inferiors of the Germans. The Anglos handed over Eastern Europe to the largest mass murderers in history, which not even the Anglos dare to to deny, they prefer to ignore this inconvenient little fact.

Supposedly WW2 was fought over Poland. But nobody cared about Poland. Poland was used by the Soviets, by the Americans, by the British and the French to foment war in Europe to eliminate Germany.

- Russia wanted to export bolshevism to Europe after West-European nations had destroyed each other.
- America felt strong enough to play a dominating role on the world stage and saw it's chance to destroy Europe via Poland.
- France wanted to curtail Germany as the potential leading nation of Europe.
- Britain likewise.

 

[9/11-investigator]

We can only safely assume that if we're going to follow up with a "therefore Hitler was right to attack". Suvorov didn't do any such thing, so we can't safely assume that the British weren't keen about hearing what Suvorov had to say.

Did he? Suvorov expressed understanding for the German actions as a necessary preventive war, in the eyes of the Germans, that is.

Suvorov goes at great length to stress that he does not support Hitler.

After all, why would you want to support a man who unleashed a holocaust, now would we?

Since Nuremberg the Soviets and Anglos honoustly established that:

- Germany attacked the USSR for no reason at all
- Germany committed the holocaust

On the basis of this Americans and Soviets could divide Europe amongst themselves with good conscience.

Everybody happy. End good, all good. Good triumphed over evil.

Uhhhhm....

And the Paul Rassinier came along, who had been a prisoner in a concentration camp himself.
And holocaust revisionism was born.

The USSR has collapsed, the USA will collapse soon. France and Britain will be the Islamic states in 20 years.

Now is the time for countermeasures. WW- and holocaust revisionism are the starting points for revolutionary political changes in the European world, centering around the Berlin-Moscow axis.

 

[uke2se]

It is painful to see my opponents studiously ignoring that the Soviets being their ally in reality destroys any claim of moral superiority of the Anglos over the Germans. In fact they are the moral inferiors of the Germans. The Anglos handed over Eastern Europe to the largest mass murderers in history, which not even the Anglos dare to to deny, they prefer to ignore this inconvenient little fact.

I'd say it's painful watching someone with so much to say about WWII (you) know so little about it. Nothing was handed to the Soviets. They took it. The alliance with the Soviet Union was one of practicality, Germany being the biggest threat at that moment. Many within the Allied camp knew that the Soviets would rise to be yet another threat in the future, but the allied leadership (minus Churchill) did not want to start a preemptive war, especially when it would be a hard sell to their already war fatigued populations.

The Nazis in Germany hold no moral superiority on anyone. They were about as low on the moral ladder as one can go, building an inherently racist society based on lies.

Supposedly WW2 was fought over Poland.

No, Poland merely kick started the war. WWII in Europe was fought against fascism and Nazism, as well as the freedom of the subcontinent.

But nobody cared about Poland.

The Poles cared about Poland.

Poland was used by the Soviets, by the Americans, by the British and the French to foment war in Europe to eliminate Germany.

No, Germany brought destruction on itself by pursuing aggressive warfare to establish a "thousand year reich" and ensure "lebensraum" for the ethnically cleansed population, at the expense of "racially inferior" people like the Slavs.

- Russia wanted to export bolshevism to Europe after West-European nations had destroyed each other.

Yes.

- America felt strong enough to play a dominating role on the world stage and saw it's chance to destroy Europe via Poland.

No. This is especially silly given that the US didn't go to war over Poland, but entered more than two years later after being attacked by Japan and having had war declared upon them by Germany.

- France wanted to curtail Germany as the potential leading nation of Europe.

No. This is especially silly given that the French went along with Hitler during the "anschluss" of Austria and subsequent invasion of Czechoslovakia.

- Britain likewise.

Like my response above said, this is just silly.

 

[dafydd]

I can't believe 9/11 Investigator is still going after being proven wrong time and time again.

Neo nazis are not the brightest buttons in the box.

 

[SpitfireIX]

I can't believe 9/11 Investigator is still going after being proven wrong time and time again.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

9/11, you finished the background material I provided? I have a few thousand more whenever you're done with that lot. I know you don't want to continue sounding ignorant of the facts in the matter.

 

[Chaos]

I am curious to know who these 'new masters' supposedly are.

Suvorov defected to Britain.

What´s this... you ask a question, and then answer it yourself?

We can safely assume that the British establishment is not keen about learning the new truth according to Suvorov.

We can safely assume that anything you safely assume is bollocks.

Suvorow´s fairy tales made Stalin, and thus the Communists, look even worse. I´m not sure you´re aware of this, but at the time, Britain and the Soviet Union weren´t exactly on the best of terms. Thus we can safely assume that they were very keen on being given new fodder for their dislike.

Can I take you silence on the Hitler side of the equation as an admission that you know he was lying through his teeth, or is this simply more evasion?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Suvorow´s fairy tales made Stalin, and thus the Communists, look even worse. I´m not sure you´re aware of this, but at the time, Britain and the Soviet Union weren´t exactly on the best of terms. Thus we can safely assume that they were very keen on being given new fodder for their dislike.

Britain and the USSR were allies at time that the USSR was more criminal than during the cold war years. Suvorov was never endorsed by his 'new (Anglo) masters' but simply ignored, because it would have harmed the official story that the allies were on the high moral ground in 1945. They were not. The allies were fighting for Jewish NWO interests (either the Russian or American flavour of it) where Germany was fighting for the interests of Germany and Europa in the later stage of the war.

Europe lost, Jews won.
Now comes the counter attack.

Can I take you silence on the Hitler side of the equation as an admission that you know he was lying through his teeth, or is this simply more evasion?

It looks like that Chaos expects to be serviced within 5 minutes, a somewhat premature assumption.

 

[uke2se]

Britain and the USSR were allies at time that the USSR was more criminal than during the cold war years. Suvorov was never endorsed by his 'new (Anglo) masters' but simply ignored, because it would have harmed the official story that the allies were on the high moral ground in 1945. They were not.

Yes, they were.

The allies were fighting for Jewish NWO interests (either the Russian or American flavour of it) where Germany was fighting for the interests of Germany and Europa in the later stage of the war.

Complete and utter conspiracy BS.

Europe lost, Jews won.

I wouldn't call losing over 5 million of one's population "winning".

Now comes the counter attack.

Is that a threat against Jews? I think your hate is showing, nein-11.