If you believe in eternity then nothing requires a foundation of existence.
I don’t accept your selective reasoning that one thing can be eternal but everything else can‘t.
My question has nothing to do with cause, purpose, reason, etc.
See reply to Iacchus.
If you believe in the stuff of magic and miracles, then anything is possible, and intelligent debate is pointless.
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Nobody knowledgable about the Big Bang theory ever said there was (or wasn't) "a time" before the Big Bang. They say we can't know what came before the Big Bang.
No doubt you're smarter than all of them together since you do know.
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There's no "need" for the planet Pluto, but it exists.
First you have to ask, "what's 'its". And how did you determine "its" potential will have been realized. And long before what started? The big bang (that's the thing that we can't know what came before it)?
To express His/Herself? Why not?
Oh well, the discussion does seem to be progressing.
I believe in existence. I also believe in Eternity. I also believe in the Big Bang ... either that or, have no reason to discount it. Now, if the Big Bang ushered itself in of its own accord, that would be magic.
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So if we refused to listen to His/Her expressions, we would have power over Him/Her. That sounds like fun! Let's do it! It'll drive Him/Her nuts!
No, Iacchus, your hypothesis is self contradictory. If He created us, then he is just expressing Himself to Himself. He wouldn't need you for that.
I know it is difficult for you to accept your own unimportance in the universe, which makes your fantasies about your imaginary friend even more sad.
I think it is wandering rather than progressing. What has “need” got to do with my question?
If you believe in eternity, why can’t you believe everything might be eternal.
Exactly. That’s a problem I have with the BBT.
Have no idea what you're talking about here.
Maybe we are in fact an extension of His self-awareness? In fact everything that He creates would be, wouldn't it?
What, would you recommend that I take a gun and shoot myself? How would you like me to talk like that to you? Oh, and did you know that without a sense of purpose, people tend to die and wither away? Doesn't that sound reflective of some kind of inherent need to you?
What point would there be in a butterfly to have wings and not exercise and use them? They would serve no purpose now would they?
Ask Tricky.
Because the dictates of time and space seem to suggest otherwise. Albeit the same theorists will tell you that you cannot create nor destroy energy. So, what could we possibly infer by that? ... That energy itself exists outside of the parameters of time and space perhaps? And, has a timeless/eternal quality to it?
Well, then, we seem to be on the same page, at least in that regard.
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Please do not insinuate that anyone advocated you kill yourself. Advocating suicide is against forum rules, and something we take very seriously. I take your accusation every bit as seriously.
You have no importance to this world Merc. You are just a sad commentary to yourself.
As I said, this is all off the topic of the thread . . . however . . .
I find this comment really sad and revealing as to the state of your mind and emotions. Shooting yourself is not the only alternative to believing in a God. You could embrace reality for instance. I find reality to be eternally fascinating and entertaining. If you take away a God belief you are not left with nothing. Other people have done it and they haven‘t died withered away (because of it), why don’t you try it. Go on . . . Gain a little dignity / . . you don’t need a super father figure . . . you’re a big boy/girl now.
By the way. A God should be referred to as a “thing” or an “it”. Anything that doesn’t “go forth and multiply” doesn’t need a sexual gender.
I have no intention of shooting myself. The point is, people do need something to believe in.
So why don't the dictates of time and space apply to your God?
And whatever your reason is - Why can't this reason apply to everything?
Sorry - In my excited relief I missed this bit.
So whats wrong with believing in things that are real?
God is Eternal. Time and space is just an illusion which, exists on the this side of the speed of light ... where mass, hence "matter" accrues.
Tricky
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It is an extrapolation your comments about God needing us to have someone to express Himself to. Put you finger on the screen if keep losing your place.
It would make no sense. If He created everything, then his self-awareness is already everywhere. To claim He needs an extension is self-contradictory. It suggests that the entity which created everything requires something in addition to what he created.
I have never suggested such a thing. I have repeatedly pleaded with you to get help. When I say you are unimportant to the universe, I am also implying (and if you don't do implications, I'll just say it) that I am equally unimportant. The difference is that it doesn't bother me. I wish it wouldn't drive you crazy. Honestly.
I have said time and time again that we create our own reasons for living, and that should be enough for anybody. We shouldn't need cosmic purpose.
Depression is indeed a terrible thing. But so is delusion. You don't need delusion to avoid depression. I am quite happy and fulfilled even accepting that I am cosmicly unimportant. If you have good self-esteem, you don't need cosmic importance in order to have purpose.
If you had a functioning brain but did not use it to combat your own ignorance, then it would serve no purpose, would it?