Who killed Meredith Kercher? part 23

[js202]

My own strong suspicion is that this is all about Maresca "explaining" how he had a brilliant legal stratagem underpinned by his brilliant legal mind, which would have resulted in a successful outcome had it not been for the malign and disruptive influence of his clients, the Kercher family.

I think that Maresca's reference to the Kerchers as "lower-middle-class" (and I think that's his meaning) is simply a proxy for what he'd like to say - which is that (in his opinion) the Kerchers lacked sufficient intellect and education to enable him to do his job properly in this case. The same rationale goes, IMO, for his coded reference to JK's alleged alcohol dependence problem, and for the internecine and intra-familial disputes among the Kerchers (which do have supporting evidence - for example, I think it's true that for some time now, Stephanie Kercher has been operating more-or-less separately from many other members of the family wrt this case).

In other words, IMO Maresca is effectively accusing the Kerchers of having got in his way - through their uninformed, ignorant and ill-educated meddling, their dysfunctional family structure, their character defects and their in-fighting - and thus hampered his ability to act properly on their behalf and on behalf of Meredith Kercher. The flip-side inference (of Maresca's) would be that if the Kerchers had been decent, intelligent, well-informed, well-educated, united, thoughtful, deferential (to him) and unafflicted by substance abuse issues, he (Maresca) might/would have been able to deliver "justice for Meredith"..........

Aside from the fact that some of what Maresca has to say about the Kerchers rings true, the fact that he stoops to say it unveils him as exactly the kind of classless, blame-shifting weasel one had the intuition he was, all along.

All of this just confirms what a disgusting circle of ghouls this case elicited. Perfect revelation for our current season, in fact.

 

[Stacyhs]

All I have seen so far is the spin that's been put on it based on p!sspoor google translations. I doubt very much Maresca called John a wino or that he thinks they are low class. On the contrary, the Kerchers' behaviour has always been classy and dignified. Something that only comes with innate good breeding.

Maresca didn't call John K a "wino'. He said he was "addicted to alcohol". Nor did he say they were "low class". He said they were "lower middle class". If you have a problem with that, take it up with Maresca who did, indeed, write that.
Saying that only those who have "innate good breeding" can be classy and dignified is more than a bit snobbish.

 

[Bill Williams]

All I have seen so far is the spin that's been put on it based on p!sspoor google translations. I doubt very much Maresca called John a wino or that he thinks they are low class. On the contrary, the Kerchers' behaviour has always been classy and dignified. Something that only comes with innate good breeding.

Your argument is with Francesco Maresca - not with those who have from the beginning not liked him.

But as always, we'll wait to see the book when it comes out. So far, all there is are snippets from the publisher.....

You can doubt all you wish.

 

[Planigale]

How dare you call John Kercher, 'a jobbing hack'?

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/120782499453485056

"he use to file foreign reports for the Daily Mirror'
The odd thing is John Kercher was not a foreign correspondent, do you think Piers Morgan knew who he was?

See here for John Kercher's journalism. He does not seem to have filed foreign reports for the Daily Mirror. People can assess the quality themselves.

https://www.questia.com/searchglobal#!/?contributor=Kercher, John&pageNumber=6&mediaType=newspapers

 

[Sonia]

What are you on about? Meredith Kercher was an ex-public school girl. Fees £12K pa (multiply that by four children). More expensive than any school your heroine went to. And as for the accent, that's RICH, considering Deanna's nasal twangs and frightful tortuous vowels when she did her speech outside Hellmann.

http://www.oldpalace.croydon.sch.uk/fees

Money really doesn't have much to do with class. You can be a wealthy footballer like David Beckham and still broadcast your class origins with every utterance. Remember Rex Harrison sing-songing the lyric inspired by GB Shaw: "An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him; the moment he talks he makes some other Englishman despise him."

I've never heard Deanna speak, but if she sounds anything like Amanda, by American standards that's a fairly neutral accent, delivered with the flat affect of the Pacific Northwest. Sometimes Amanda lets herself down by shading her speech with an awful vocal fry, but unfortunately that's the fashion now with young American women.

By the by, you have seriously underestimated how much it costs to attend Seattle Prep. Not that the price tag of either Knox or Kercher's private education matters much, since my understanding is that both girls received scholarships to attend their schools.

I'm curious why you think Maresca is choosing to lash out at his former clients by writing about them so disdainfully. What is he up to?

N.b., John Kercher certainly was a jobbing hack, doing strictly fluffy stuff about celebs and the like for low-brow papers like the Daily Mail and the Mirror. Maybe that's all he wanted to do or was capable of doing. Nick Davies he was not.

 

[Mary_H]

By discussing his clients in this manner, would Maresca have violated an ethics rule if this had happened in the United States?

From the American Bar Association Center for Professional Responsibility:

Rule 1.9 - Duties to Former Clients

Client-Lawyer Relationship
Rule 1.9 Duties To Former Clients

(.....)

(c) A lawyer who has formerly represented a client in a matter or whose present or former firm has formerly represented a client in a matter shall not thereafter:
(1) use information relating to the representation to the disadvantage of the former client except as these Rules would permit or require with respect to a client, or when the information has become generally known; or

(2) reveal information relating to the representation except as these Rules would permit or require with respect to a client.

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_1_9_duties_of_former_clients.html

However, I do not expect there are rules and regulations regarding professional responsibility for lawyers in the Italian Bar Association.

 

[LondonJohn]

How dare you call John Kercher, 'a jobbing hack'?

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/120782499453485056

Yeah........ Nick Pisa used to "file foreign reports" for the Daily Mail. He's a jobbing hack too. Your point is...........?

 

[LondonJohn]

"he use to file foreign reports for the Daily Mirror'
The odd thing is John Kercher was not a foreign correspondent, do you think Piers Morgan knew who he was?

See here for John Kercher's journalism. He does not seem to have filed foreign reports for the Daily Mirror. People can assess the quality themselves.

https://www.questia.com/searchglobal#!/?contributor=Kercher, John&pageNumber=6&mediaType=newspapers

True. And in any case, a testimonial from Piers Morgan is hardly worth the paper it's written on. His commitment to truth, accuracy and fairness is, ummmmm, "questionable". As illustrated by his inventions about John Kercher.........

 

[LondonJohn]

Aside from the fact that some of what Maresca has to say about the Kerchers rings true, the fact that he stoops to say it unveils him as exactly the kind of classless, blame-shifting weasel one had the intuition he was, all along.

All of this just confirms what a disgusting circle of ghouls this case elicited. Perfect revelation for our current season, in fact.

Absolutely. And, as I opined in other posts, I think a reasonable explanation for why Maresca chose to disparage the Kerchers in such a classless manner was that a) he's a slimy chancer weasel (which most unbiassed observers could see long ago), and b) because of that, he had no reservations about using the Kerchers as an excuse for why he, the brilliant Maresca, had not been able to be on the "winning" side in this trial process (with an obvious eye on protecting his own reputation and future hirings).

 

[Vixen]

Maresca didn't call John K a "wino'. He said he was "addicted to alcohol". Nor did he say they were "low class". He said they were "lower middle class". If you have a problem with that, take it up with Maresca who did, indeed, write that.
Saying that only those who have "innate good breeding" can be classy and dignified is more than a bit snobbish.

Here we go again, picking gnat **** from a pepper. We don't see the Kerchers reading from a script and ham acting more wooden than a furniture store in PR commercials laughably labelled 'documentary' (the sheer conceit, putting the Netflix film forward for an Oscar ROFL). We don't see dirty deals, bent scientific 'experts', smear campaigns, phoney sympathy for the 13th Amendment brigade, book campaigns, vampiring off one's cousins whom you've always ignored, but now they've been on telly, you're going to squeeze them for a reveal-all story for your column, probably written by your writer Party Rock boyfriend wearing concentration camp stripes and silver nail polish and tasteful tattoos of samurai swords, presenting yourself as a true crime expert, now that you've committed one or two and are now an old lag who's served porridge.

 

[Vixen]

Money really doesn't have much to do with class. You can be a wealthy footballer like David Beckham and still broadcast your class origins with every utterance. Remember Rex Harrison sing-songing the lyric inspired by GB Shaw: "An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him; the moment he talks he makes some other Englishman despise him."

I've never heard Deanna speak, but if she sounds anything like Amanda, by American standards that's a fairly neutral accent, delivered with the flat affect of the Pacific Northwest. Sometimes Amanda lets herself down by shading her speech with an awful vocal fry, but unfortunately that's the fashion now with young American women.

By the by, you have seriously underestimated how much it costs to attend Seattle Prep. Not that the price tag of either Knox or Kercher's private education matters much, since my understanding is that both girls received scholarships to attend their schools.

I'm curious why you think Maresca is choosing to lash out at his former clients by writing about them so disdainfully. What is he up to?

N.b., John Kercher certainly was a jobbing hack, doing strictly fluffy stuff about celebs and the like for low-brow papers like the Daily Mail and the Mirror. Maybe that's all he wanted to do or was capable of doing. Nick Davies he was not.

Oh balderdash. You try getting an article published in the UK national tabloids. I once had an article published in the GUARDIAN on a one-off freelance submission.

Amanda's voice is like chalk scraping across a board. Raff's poor English is much better. Can't fault the Italians, they ennunciate every syllable and consonant and end each word properly.

I am sure Maresca, a straight, plain vanilla, down to earth guy, will tell it like it is.

 

[Vixen]

Yeah........ Nick Pisa used to "file foreign reports" for the Daily Mail. He's a jobbing hack too. Your point is...........?

I am sure Nick Pisa is being paid very handsomely for his latest hack job on Rurik Jutting in Hong Kong. And yourself...?

 

[LondonJohn]

I am sure Nick Pisa is being paid very handsomely for his latest hack job on Rurik Jutting in Hong Kong. And yourself...?

"And yourself?" What does that have to do with anything remotely related to this case? Be careful.

 

[LondonJohn]

Here we go again, picking gnat **** from a pepper. We don't see the Kerchers reading from a script and ham acting more wooden than a furniture store in PR commercials laughably labelled 'documentary' (the sheer conceit, putting the Netflix film forward for an Oscar ROFL). We don't see dirty deals, bent scientific 'experts', smear campaigns, phoney sympathy for the 13th Amendment brigade, book campaigns, vampiring off one's cousins whom you've always ignored, but now they've been on telly, you're going to squeeze them for a reveal-all story for your column, probably written by your writer Party Rock boyfriend wearing concentration camp stripes and silver nail polish and tasteful tattoos of samurai swords, presenting yourself as a true crime expert, now that you've committed one or two and are now an old lag who's served porridge.

Gosh. It sounds like there's genuine hatred being expressed against Amanda Knox and her friends and family here. Not really conducive to any pretence to objective analysis, I'd suggest........

On top of which, of course, it's intellectually bankrupt to be attempting to "counter-argue" Maresca's apparent smearing of his own clients with a tirade against Knox/Sollecito and their family/friends. The social status, graces (or otherwise) and behaviour of Knox/Sollecito and their family/friends is of precisely........zero relevance to any discussion of Maresca's apparent statements in writing or any discussion of his possible motives in disparaging the Kerchers in this way. Not unexpected though, of course.

 

[js202]

Gosh. It sounds like there's genuine hatred being expressed against Amanda Knox and her friends and family here. Not really conducive to any pretence to objective analysis, I'd suggest........

On top of which, of course, it's intellectually bankrupt to be attempting to "counter-argue" Maresca's apparent smearing of his own clients with a tirade against Knox/Sollecito and their family/friends. The social status, graces (or otherwise) and behaviour of Knox/Sollecito and their family/friends is of precisely........zero relevance to any discussion of Maresca's apparent statements in writing or any discussion of his possible motives in disparaging the Kerchers in this way. Not unexpected though, of course.

Hammer. Meet. Nail.

At this late stage, showing, as it does, absolutely zero capacity for growth or understanding, doesn't the pro forma guilter lunacy simply deserve to be blocked and allowed to wither away?

 

[Numbers]

Here is the Italian text (page 34) in more detail where Maresca, in his book, discusses the class status, nationality, and psychology of the Kerchers. It may be that he is pointing what he believes are the limitations of their being English as well as their class status.

I comportamenti e l’attitudine psicologica di tutti i Kercher possono essere riassunti nel loro status di famiglia della middle-low class inglese; culturalmente i loro sentimenti erano frenati, sembravano quasi distaccati; la partecipazione al processo è stata sicuramente forte ma pian piano si è sopita.

Google translation:

The behavior and the psychological attitude of all [the] Kerchers may be summarized in their family status of middle-low English class; culturally their feelings were dampened, they seemed almost detached; participation in the process was definitely strong but slowly it is [became] dormant.

While some here have emphasized Maresca's reference to the Kerchers' class status, he is also discussing his view of their English cultural behavior. These were all factors which limited Maresca in achieving success in this case, according to the preview. Maresca's book is written in Italian and is directed at an Italian audience. He is reassuring potential Italian clients that he lost the Kerchers' case because of their characteristics and behavior, including class and nationality, not because of his lack of skill as a lawyer or because the facts did not support a finding of guilt for Knox and Sollecito.

 

[Bill Williams]

Here is the Italian text (page 34) in more detail where Maresca, in his book, discusses the class status, nationality, and psychology of the Kerchers. It may be that he is pointing what he believes are the limitations of their being English as well as their class status.


While some here have emphasized Maresca's reference to the Kerchers' class status, he is also discussing his view of their English cultural behavior. These were all factors which limited Maresca in achieving success in this case, according to the preview. Maresca's book is written in Italian and is directed at an Italian audience. He is reassuring potential Italian clients that he lost the Kerchers' case because of their characteristics and behavior, including class and nationality, not because of his lack of skill as a lawyer or because the facts did not support a finding of guilt for Knox and Sollecito.

Once again the Kerchers are victimized.

 

[Numbers]

Once again the Kerchers are victimized.

Come on, Bill. Let's cut Maresca some slack. He's a lawyer and may have no other source of income and therefore needs to show his potential Italian clients that he can win their cases. You don't really expect him to tell the truth about this case against his own interests, do you?

 

[LondonJohn]

Here is the Italian text (page 34) in more detail where Maresca, in his book, discusses the class status, nationality, and psychology of the Kerchers. It may be that he is pointing what he believes are the limitations of their being English as well as their class status.

While some here have emphasized Maresca's reference to the Kerchers' class status, he is also discussing his view of their English cultural behavior. These were all factors which limited Maresca in achieving success in this case, according to the preview. Maresca's book is written in Italian and is directed at an Italian audience. He is reassuring potential Italian clients that he lost the Kerchers' case because of their characteristics and behavior, including class and nationality, not because of his lack of skill as a lawyer or because the facts did not support a finding of guilt for Knox and Sollecito.

I agree that this is probably the most reasonable explanation behind Maresca's pejorative assessment of the Kerchers. I suspect the truth may lie somewhere in the middle: I suspect Maresca might well genuinely have felt (fairly or otherwise) frustrated and limited by aspects of his interactions with the Kerchers during the trial process, but that he has subsequently magnified these frustrations and limitations in the light of having "lost" the case, so as to offload any aspect of blame from himself and so as to make himself look attractive to future potential clients.

 

[LondonJohn]

Come on, Bill. Let's cut Maresca some slack. He's a lawyer and may have no other source of income and therefore needs to show his potential Italian clients that he can win their cases. You don't really expect him to tell the truth about this case against his own interests, do you?

(And the man has form in this area, after all.....)