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who is gravys handler?

I love this. can you imagine how many SANE, INTELLIGENT, Fence sitters witnessed these threads at the LCF, then shook their heads, and realized that the 9/11 truth movement, LC, and the lot, is all a bunch of stupid, insane, childish crap.

Keep it up PD and crowd...I beg you...keep it up.

TAM:)
 
When I first saw that tiny bit of footage my initial thought was that it was David Shayler. It looks just like him, which (if I have read my 911 Truth sites properly) is proof that it is him.

Then I saw Gravy and my mind was thoroughly blown. So I guess this means that Gravy is somehow a double agent infiltrating the JREF Forum while secretly believing in shape-shifting lizard overlords, or that David Shayler is a shill making the Troothers look bad, or that Gravy and Shayler are conspiring together for their own nefarious yet unknown purposes. Or some other, yet unknown, scenario.

And what was David Shayler doing in New York?

The plot thickens. I'm sure killtown will be able to make sense of it.
 
Well I'm laughing - whilst shaking my head in disbelief.

I find this little exchange quite revealing from this thread -

GordonLiu
And who did Mark walk up to standing next to those cops?


dylan avery
Bermas.

Guy looks at Mark, nods, Mark walks over, Guy points at Bermas, Mark walks to Bermas.

Fetch the stick, boy!

911wasaninsidejob
So is this implying that Mark works for someone? That's what it seems like to me.

dylan avery
I'm not trying to imply anything. Despite my "fetch" comment.

Wait a second - Gravy gets paid by the shadowy JREF agent, and then walks over to Bermas :jaw-dropp What did Gravy give to Bermas...surely we have a right to know.

Is Avery acting as a whistleblower here - giving PROOF to the truther's that Bermas is now a double-agent in Gravy's pay :jaw-dropp

What I want to know, though, is how many tax dollars were wasted on paying Bermas to make the truthers look silly - when he'd have done a perfectly good job free of charge :D
 
What I want to know, though, is how many tax dollars were wasted on paying Bermas to make the truthers look silly - when he'd have done a perfectly good job free of charge :D

Well, the dirty little secret of the troof movement is that every single member is working for a different NWO chapter or Government agency (not just the US government), and each is trying to make the movement look ridiculous, unaware that their comrades is troof are also all working towards eth same end!

I believe the basis of this plan was laid out in a book by Joseph Conrad, published 100 years ago this very year!
 
Well, the dirty little secret of the troof movement is that every single member is working for a different NWO chapter or Government agency (not just the US government), and each is trying to make the movement look ridiculous, unaware that their comrades is troof are also all working towards eth same end!

I believe the basis of this plan was laid out in a book by Joseph Conrad, published 100 years ago this very year!

I believe you're confusing a Conrad book with a Conrad TV series, Brodski.
 
Well, the dirty little secret of the troof movement is that every single member is working for a different NWO chapter or Government agency (not just the US government), and each is trying to make the movement look ridiculous, unaware that their comrades is troof are also all working towards eth same end!

I believe the basis of this plan was laid out in a book by Joseph Conrad, published 100 years ago this very year!


I think you are on to something.

It makes for a better story than the sad truth they are just ignorant.
 
I admit it. I am Gravy's "handler" but he's so big I have to use two hands. Don't even get me started on the budget to handle the balls too.

that guy looks really rich, buisness

And apparently you've been lying to us about being just a regular guy...

Could I borrow a couple bucks?
 
apparently mark roberts (im assuming, since the pic is so small) is talking to a man in a suit, somehow this is suspicious

Yikes! I spoke to a man in a suit just today!

Actually, the man in question looks like American actor Stephen Root (Office Space, News Radio).
 
Well, the dirty little secret of the troof movement is that every single member is working for a different NWO chapter or Government agency (not just the US government), and each is trying to make the movement look ridiculous, unaware that their comrades is troof are also all working towards eth same end!

I believe the basis of this plan was laid out in a book by Joseph Conrad, published 100 years ago this very year!


Nearly right it's GK Chesterton's The Man Who Was Thursday

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Was_Thursday

Conrad wrote the other classic about what we'd now call terrorism "The Secret Agent"
 
Well, the dirty little secret of the troof movement is that every single member is working for a different NWO chapter or Government agency (not just the US government), and each is trying to make the movement look ridiculous, unaware that their comrades is troof are also all working towards eth same end!

This would make for an excellent satire. Especially if you layered on a few meta-conspiracies and meta-meta-conspiracies (e.g. the CIA funds the Citizens for 9/11 Truth Society, and the BATF infiltrated and covertly runs Engineers for 9/11 Justice. Little do they realize, while they were both working to undermine the Anti-Zionist Silverstein Protest League, the Russians were secretly running a disinformation campaign to make Americans look stupid, and both organizations were started by KGB agents. The Anti-Zionist Silverstein Protest League was started and run by the Treasury Department to discredit the Russian effort... etc. etc. In the end, it turns out one guy in the bowels of the Department of Agriculture controls all of the conspiracies, but doesn't realize it. What he thinks are policy proposals to regulate pesticide use are actually interpreted as coded orders by everyone else.)
 
So, which one got the clue?

Dylan is jealous of any one who

a.) Owns a tie.

b.) knows how to tie it.
 
Damn, that was funny, Robert de Niro. :D
Gravy: What did LTW wrote about the premiere and are
there any videos available from it beside Dylans cute Gif?

Black: Carter's Blog (Truther)
Blue: Gravy's comments

Was at the premier tonight at the Zigfeld theatre on 54th St., of the movie "Flt. 93"

...I suppose it must've been a hand picked crowd. Their worst nighmare would've been of some of us 911 Truth people getting a ticket. (Turn it into Rocky Horror Show and act out the parts. Or talk back to the screen - "He'd never say that" Or "********!" or at the end when the narrartor says, ~"And so began the War on Terror." ..."TRAITORS!" [I'm sure the families of victims would have laughed heartily at your frisky frivolity.]

Everybody wants our fliers. [Uh, no. Few people did.]

...The 911 truth folk were barred from the sidewalk in front of the theatre. We were not allowed to flier on that side. There was a "pen" facing the entrance, on the other side of the street (it's is a rather narrow street). A banner was held up reading "Stop the Media 911 Blackout," which of course was not understood by people who are immersed in the dominent paradigm - "'Media Blackout over 911?' What does that mean? What is that for?" Someone approached me, I believe a British reporter, who had that peculiar, for me, lack of understanding of the banner, and wondered if I was part of "that group." - (Because, BTW, I will not enter a pen, so I stood apart from the group.) He said, "That group says the government did it." "Well yes," I replied, "if you look closely at the data, you have to come to that conclusion." He jumped back and scampered across the street, fast, as though I had the plague. [You're certainly a plague vector.]

There was a man there, who did not sign his name to the leaflet he was passing out, who stood toward the back of the line of people entering the theatre - (normally that would've been *my* territory - but hells, after I read his flier, I got freaked out. And chickened out of fliering right next to him. I think our fliers cancelled each other out when right next to each other.)

The whole setting and situation was freaking me out, anyway. Major Propaganda flick. How can they do this? Don't they think anyone is watching?) The man was a ringer for Robert de Niro, only taller and younger [And wealthier and more handsome and the owner of more trendy restaurants]. Les speculated he was his brother. He looked so much like him, you couldn't believe he could be merely a nephew or son. And BTW, Robert de Niro is the founder of this film festival.

I obtained the man's sheet from him, but others couldn't because he wouldn't give it out to any of us, if he knew were were 911 Reality people. He wore a baseball cap and got bored, fairly quickly, of handing out his fliers - it seemed. And just hung around our group. Maybe he had people inside, handing them out there. [My Manny Friday. And it was boring, because so few people were taking their flyers. We only gave info to people who got info from them.]

But really when people left, they were quite open to the fliers. [And to displaying disgust when they saw the content] So the Anti- influences couldn't have worked all that well. The security there didn't like to see that. It seemed I could feel them cringe at our, even minimal, success. I mean, a slip of paper will not compete with a blockbuster Hollywood movie. But many people did seem to want to speak to us. [Uh, no] And didn't hate us.

The man's fliers quoted, out of context, things he'd read about 911 Truth and he provided quotes made by random people off 911 blogs, and specificly, Dylan Avery. I guess he was reading Dylan's blog and knew that Dylan planned to be there, which he was. Dylan later said he confronted the man and said, "Here I am, right in front of you, why don't you tell me face to face what problem you have with me." [I said, "Here's a CD with my 'Loose Change Viewer's Guide.'"] Or somesuch. (Avery will probably tell the story better on his blog. I met him him later nearby and he impressed me as an highly intelligent man.) (But hells, what can you do? Dylan, as of now, made the definitive 911 documentary flick for our age. And for the fiction version of the story: "V for Vendetta" wins.

So maybe this was Dylan's homage - getting picked-on at the opening of the NY film festival, which originated to bring the downtown back from 911 - at the opening of the first major Hollywood flick of 9/11, by a guy who looks like a relative of Robert de Niro! I guess they are jealous of his Underground success?! No surprise there! Avery's tells the most important story there is, for a New Yorker, for an American, for a human being alive in the world today with the Superpower, Imperial wannabe, U.S.A. Avery told the true story. [Was that in the LC "extras?" I didn't see it in the main feature.] What can you do? The true story, especially in this case, is just going to have so much more flavor. They wish they could buy that flavor and sell it back to you, without you knowing what it is.) [I'll know it by its smell.]

...Everyone wanted a copy of the smear-job leaflet to see what hellacious crap it was, so I didn't get to keep one to bring home, but generously gave mine away. Therefore, I can't quote it to you. But if I could, you'd have a big shock and a laugh. The flier didn't address any points, but just smeared the 911 Truth movement - telling people to Beware! It told people they might be approached by us and might even be offered a copy of the terrible insulting movie "Loose Change," which was full of innaccuracies. It said no one in our group cared about the families - (never mind I, myself, lost a best friend, most outstanding person, to the very bottom of North Tower). [Need I remind everyone that these people were PROTESTING at an event attended by the families of victims?] It said these ideas were, surprisingly, spreading a lot and that they was especially popular among young men, and were being passed around in schools and on campuses and from off the Internet.

...Anyway Dylan got plenty of footage of the person who was handing this out, and others got the man's pic too. Even I did, but it was a bad shot.

There were a lot of foreign journalists and many interviews with 911 Truth members. Many people I handed out leaflets to were exceptionally kind and sympathetic. We got no harrassment. (Except for the typical abrogation of our rights, by making us stand in a pen and limiting our access to the public, by the police. We couldn't flier the crowd, except as they approached or left the event, not as they stood in line, for the most part. [Boy, that was a short "Media Blackout."]

...The news cameras interviewed a few people as they left, who were somewhat in tears. Everyone looked quite sad or at least subdued and pensive, quiet, upon leaving. Who I saw, with slight tears, were young women. But afterward, almost no one was averse to taking a flier, especially the tasteful and kind one Nick wrote - if approached with kindness and politeness. [I believe he's talking about the flyer that "tastefully" reminded the families of the flight 93 victims that there were no heroes on board.] I wouldn't approach if it would seem like an intrusion. That was what I didn't like about the all men and boys of the group, in the pen, shouting to the crowd across the street. It just didn't seem effective. [It was plenty effective, if their goal was to make people think they were insane douchebags.] And maybe counter-productive.

But they felt the necessity to really protest it. And hells, how can I really blame them. [Like this: "Hey, douchebags! Why don't you show some respect for the victims of 9/11?"] Me, I always say "please" when I ask someone to take my flier and people appreciate that. I am not forcing it upon them. If they say "No," they do so with politeness and with an added "Thank you," because I have asked them with a "Please" and with gentleness.

My friend said the reaction might be different in a place outside of NYC. But here the reaction from the crowd who we *could* reach was very thoughtful and open. It was mostly like a showbiz type gala or celebrity fest - though I couldn't tell who were the celebrities. I wonder if Bloomberg went. I wonder how many conspirators went? ....
 
This is ridiculous. I happen to know for a fact that Gravy communicates exclusively with his handler through dead drops. When he has a message, he puts it in the top drawer of an old tool chest and then kicks over a dog dish. When the handler sees the inverted dog dish, he checks the drawer for a message and replaces the dish.

Wait a minute, I think I'm remembering an episode of Battlestar Galactica. Never mind.
 
This is ridiculous. I happen to know for a fact that Gravy communicates exclusively with his handler through dead drops. When he has a message, he puts it in the top drawer of an old tool chest and then kicks over a dog dish. When the handler sees the inverted dog dish, he checks the drawer for a message and replaces the dish.

Wait a minute, I think I'm remembering an episode of Battlestar Galactica. Never mind.
Hmm. But I thought that Gravy communicated with his handler by sticking a red flag in a flower pot on his balcony, then they'd meet in an underground parking garage?

I still think the actual handler in this video is the woman in yellow. The suit is The Stall. The camera focuses on him - suit, beard, cell phone - whilst the woman in yellow is, in pickpocket team jargon - The Cannon. She handles what Gravy has in his pockets, and COINTELPRO happens.

Why did Dylan Avery refer to his bud as "Bermas"? Doesn't that seem kind of inappropriately formal?
 

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