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Weird political story out of South Carolina. An almost complete unknown has won the democratic nomination to run against republican Jim DeMint (who was probably a shoe-in anyway, unless found with a live boy or a dead girl).

Who Is Alvin Greene?

An unemployed 32-year-old black Army veteran with no campaign funds, no signs, and no website shocked South Carolina on Tuesday night by winning the Democratic Senate primary to oppose Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC). Alvin Greene, who currently lives in his family's home, defeated Vic Rawl, a former judge and state legislator who had a $186,000 campaign warchest and had already planned his next fundraising event. Despite the odds, Greene, who has been unemployed for the past nine months, said that he wasn't surprised by his victory. "I wasn’t surprised, but not really. I mean, just a little, but not much. I knew I was on top of my campaign, and just stayed on top of everything, I just—I wasn't surprised that much, just a little. I knew that I worked hard and did," Greene said in an interview.

Greene insists that he paid the $10,400 filing fee and all other campaign expenses from his own personal funds. "It was 100 percent out of my pocket. I’m self-managed. It’s hard work, and just getting my message to supporters. I funded my campaign 100 percent out of my pocket and self-managed," said Greene, who sounded anxious and unprepared to speak to the public. But despite his lack of election funds, Greene claims to have criss-crossed the state during his campaign—though he declined to specify any of the towns or places he visited or say how much money he spent while on the road.

"It wasn’t much, I mean, just, it was—it wasn’t much. Not much, I mean, it wasn’t much," he said, when asked how much of his own money he spent in the primary. Greene frequently spoke in rapid-fire, fragmentary sentences, repeating certain phrases or interrupting himself multiple times during the same sentence while he searched for the right words. But he was emphatic about certain aspects of his candidacy, insisting that details about his campaign organization, for instance, weren't relevant. "I'm not concentrating on how I was elected—it's history. I’m the Democratic nominee—we need to get talking about America back to work, what's going on, in America."

The oddity of Greene’s candidacy has already prompted speculation from local media about whether he might be a Republican plant. But Greene denies that Republicans or anyone else had approached him about running. "No, no—no one approached me. This is my decision," he said. A 13-year military veteran, he says he had originally gotten the idea in 2008 when he was serving in Korea. "I just saw the country was in bad shape two years ago…the country was declining," he says. "I wanted to make sure we continue to go up on the right track." But when asked whether there was a specific person or circumstance that precipitated his decision to jump into politics, Greene simply replied: "nothing in particular...it's just, uh, nothing in particular." South Carolina Democratic Party Chairwoman Carol Fowler speculated that Greene won because his name appeared first on the ballot, and voters unfamiliar with both candidates chose alphabetically.

Greene has yet to speak to any Democratic officials, either. After filing to run, his campaign went dark. According to this report, he didn’t show up to the South Carolina Democratic Party convention in April and didn't file any of the required paperwork for candidates with the state or Federal Election Commission. When I spoke to him, the state’s Democrats had yet to contact him after his victory was announced.

Now it comes out that he's facing felony charges

Bizarre.
 
This is such a weird story. I'm trying to figure how who exactly voted for the guy and how they even heard of him? The only thing I can think of is he was a stalking horse for DeMint and GOP voters crossed over to vote for him. But I'm not sure SC is even an open primary state. I'm just guessing because aside from that, I can't recall something like this ever happening in my life time (except in movies starring Peter Sellers) and none of this makes any sense whatsoever.
 
"I wasn’t surprised, but not really. I mean, just a little, but not much. I knew I was on top of my campaign, and just stayed on top of everything, I just—I wasn't surprised that much, just a little. I knew that I worked hard and did,"

"It was 100 percent out of my pocket. I’m self-managed. It’s hard work, and just getting my message to supporters. I funded my campaign 100 percent out of my pocket and self-managed,"

"It wasn’t much, I mean, just, it was—it wasn’t much. Not much, I mean, it wasn’t much,"

He obviously was voted in due to his slick oratory. People are always won over by smooth talking demagogues.


Either he is terminally shy or has a mental illness. He sounds like Rain Man.
 
There's some speculation that people voted for him because he was at the top of the ballot; SC apparently lists people alphabetically by last name. Let's face it. DeMint didn't need any help winning this election, and he certainly couldn't have imagined that Greene would win.
 
OK, how about a simple racial explanation?

Remember that Jesse Jackson won a primary in SC? (As Bill Clinton was criticized for pointing out).

Greene is black, and Vic Rawl is white.
 
OK, how about a simple racial explanation?

Remember that Jesse Jackson won a primary in SC? (As Bill Clinton was criticized for pointing out).

Greene is black, and Vic Rawl is white.

The way the story is told, I don't understand how voters knew he was black. The man didn't campaign or advertise.
 
I heard one talk show host saying that this was Republican sabotage. SC has an "open primary" where anyone can vote in any party's primary.
 
There's some speculation that people voted for him because he was at the top of the ballot; SC apparently lists people alphabetically by last name. Let's face it. DeMint didn't need any help winning this election, and he certainly couldn't have imagined that Greene would win.


Exactly. Even though the other guy was the "legit" candidate, nobody every heard of either one of them. Advantage goes to the guy with the alphabetical leg-up.
 
We also had a case in Illinois 25 or so years ago where a couple of followers of Lyndon Larouche won the Democratic primary for Lieutenant Governor and Secretary of State. What happened was that the two candidates that were "supposed" to win were endorsed by the Chicago machine. Downstate voters, if they had heard of the endorsed candidates at all, would have voted for "the other guy". On top of that, the endorsed candidates had "ethnic" names (Pucinski and Sangmeister) while the Larouchies had English names (Hart and Fairchild). The ethnic names led people to believe (correctly) that the other guys were probably Chicago pols, and downstate voters, once again, voted for "the other guy".

Combine that with a low turnout, and strange things can happen. It may be that the other Dem candidates had name recognition, but with negative connotations, and some voters decided they would vote for "the other guy".
 
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Yes, this appears to be the case.

http://www.alan.com/2010/06/09/why-open-primaries-are-a-really-bad-idea/

SC is indeed an open primary and this would explain the situation better than anything else.

But in order for there to be some conspiracy to get him to win the primary, they would have to do something to get people to vote for him. I mean, in the past, parties have been known to run somebody with a similar name to someone famous. Even in the monkey-wrench campaigns, like when Limbaugh suggested that Texans vote for Clinton to tie up Obama, it was public. How exactly do you get the word out that Republicans are supposed to vote for this Greene fellow without, you know, getting the word out?
 
But in order for there to be some conspiracy to get him to win the primary, they would have to do something to get people to vote for him. I mean, in the past, parties have been known to run somebody with a similar name to someone famous. Even in the monkey-wrench campaigns, like when Limbaugh suggested that Texans vote for Clinton to tie up Obama, it was public. How exactly do you get the word out that Republicans are supposed to vote for this Greene fellow without, you know, getting the word out?

Well I don't the answer to that. I only know that this is highly weird and I'm posting a hypothesis to explain it. After all, you'd think that there'd be some evidence of Greene's campaign telling people about him, yet it seems that there was no campaign at all. None. No events. No speeches. No mailers. No money collected. So let's assume these really were pro-Greene voters. How did those voters get the word without, you know, getting the word out? Same mystery, with the only explanation being his name appeared first on the ballot?
 
As usual.. follow the money.

Unemployed man, who lives with his parents, plunks down $10K to enter a senate primary, and then does nothing at all to campaign for it. Find out where the money came from, and all the above questions will be answered (maybe). In an interview yesterday, he went all deer-in-the-headlights when the question of the source of the $$ came up.
 
It's also possible that people simply voted for the name. The Greene name carries a lot of weight in the Carolinas. (businesses, parks, cities, etc... are named after them.) I can see people simply assuming that it was one of "those" Greenes and it not even crossing their minds that people not related to the well known Greene family might have the same name.
 
It's also possible that people simply voted for the name. The Greene name carries a lot of weight in the Carolinas. (businesses, parks, cities, etc... are named after them.) I can see people simply assuming that it was one of "those" Greenes and it not even crossing their minds that people not related to the well known Greene family might have the same name.

It turns our there were three funny candidates, and two of the three actually won.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...lvin_greene_not_only_suspicious_candidate.php

In the third race that Clyburn calls suspicious, the 1st Congressional District, Frasier won even though the establishment-favored candidate, Robert Burton, raised and spent $100,000. Frasier's campaign didn't file any details about his spending with the FEC. But he's far from a first-time candidate, having run nearly three dozen times -- and losing -- for elected office. Frasier has run as a candidate for both parties, and has even been accused of being a Republican plant and not qualified to be a candidate in the past, according to local press accounts.

Frasier doesn't have a campaign Website or Facebook page we could find, but Frasier beat Burton by about 2,200 votes or 56%-44%. I spoke with Burton campaign manager Ann Beser this morning and told her about Clyburn's accusation that Frasier is a plant. She agreed it's possible, saying, "There is something radically wrong."

Just a weird situation. It could just be a bad year for establishment candidates and if they think you're the party choice, people are voting the other way.
 
As usual.. follow the money.

Unemployed man, who lives with his parents, plunks down $10K to enter a senate primary, and then does nothing at all to campaign for it. Find out where the money came from, and all the above questions will be answered (maybe). In an interview yesterday, he went all deer-in-the-headlights when the question of the source of the $$ came up.

NPR interview today. It seems that the "let's nominate a loser for the other side" scam had been done once already in South Carolina. I don't know if that makes the scenario less likely or more likely, though. The last guy who did it was convicted of some variation on election fraud.
 
It's also possible that people simply voted for the name. The Greene name carries a lot of weight in the Carolinas. (businesses, parks, cities, etc... are named after them.) I can see people simply assuming that it was one of "those" Greenes and it not even crossing their minds that people not related to the well known Greene family might have the same name.

The same thought occurred to me. Most of the people were probably just voting for which name they liked better, not really knowing who those names belonged to. The name Alvin Greene just seems a little more pleasant than Vic Rawl. I don't know why. I have an uncle named Alvin. And Greene is a nice sounding last name.
 

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