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Who Created God?

keep trying to imagine the world that our primitive ancestors found themselves in when sentience first blossomed.
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Or in the case of certain evangelists, more like a suspended sentience.

*YES! A satirical and biting cynical bit of insulting religious sarcasm centered around a wicked pun! I RULE! Bow before me! You're all jealous - I can tell.

Thus we have a God which is pure energy, and a God who permeates throughout the whole Universe. Albeit we can only sense that He's there,
How do you know this energy is a 'he'? Did you look underneath it?

First define energy and what kind of energy.
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Yeah, except you can't because the dictionary is 500+ pages of circular reasoning, so there!

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. ~ Revelation 12:1-5
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Yeah, we all saw the Darkness video for "I Believe in a Thing Called Love" too. What's your point?

And now, on a special "Dorian Gray Post"....
True (no pun intended), but has any oral tradition stood the test of time and remained whole?
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I'll give you a hint: Monica Lewinsky.

THAT'S RIGHT! There's another quick-witted zinger! Your jealousy is sooooo transparent.
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jan said:

I guess it has to do with the naming sheme — if something has a really impressive name, it is unnecessairy to explain the appearance of this thing. For example: “Who created god?” – “Why, he doesn't have to be created, he is just energy, you know.”
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So, if energy can't be destroyed (these are not my words by the way), is that to say it's always existed, even before the Big Bang?
 
RussDill said:

Look at the structure in a fractal. It is built upon no preexisting structure.

[Edited to add: It is also structure without any relevence or relation to any form of energy/time, etc whatsoever]
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The path of least resistence is determined by the structure which was in effect before it even began. Albeit I don't claim to know a whole lot about fractals. However, the one apsect stems (or grows) from the previous aspect doesn't it? In that nothing remains unattached, right?
 
uruk said:

That would be chemical and electrical energy. Last I checked Chemical and electrical energy is not intellegent by itself. I've never had a conversation with a battery. (unless it was attached to my cell phone) It has to be organized in some manner. Usually in concert with matter. Which is just another form of energy btw.
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I'm referring to things like radio waves.
 
Ratman_tf said:

From my layman's understanding of the Big Bang theory, that is incorrect. The conversion was from whatever caused the BB, to an expanding universe of spacetime, which included energy. The energy condensed into matter many thousands of years after the BB. And saying things like 'until the Big Bang' ignores that there was no time, and thus no before.

(Again, I'm a layman and could be wrong, but I believe that saying the BB was the conversion of energy into matter is pretty off the beam.)
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But why do we always speak about the conversion energy into matter and vice versa? Is it possible that there was pure energy before it manifested itself into matter?
 
Upchurch said:
That isn't my understanding of Greek mythology. The Greeks believed that their gods interacted with them directly sometimes in physical form, sometimes through intermediaries, as jan pointed out. That's not too different than the Jews and the Christians, I believe.
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I retract my earlier statements in regards to their gods.


True (no pun intended), but has any oral tradition stood the test of time and remained whole? None that I can think of.

So, are none of them indicitive of conveying true understanding about the world?
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I am not sure I follow what you mean in terms of remaining whole.
 
frisian said:
I am not sure I follow what you mean in terms of remaining whole.
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By "standing the test of time", I assumed that you meant that it remained unchanged over time, which I termed "remaining whole". Perhaps a poor choice of words (and, of course, I was assuming again).

Allow me to rephrase: What criteria is indicitive of passing the test of time and has any oral tradition met those criteria?
 
Upchurch said:
By "standing the test of time", I assumed that you meant that it remained unchanged over time, which I termed "remaining whole". Perhaps a poor choice of words (and, of course, I was assuming again).

Allow me to rephrase: What criteria is indicitive of passing the test of time and has any oral tradition met those criteria?
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Unchanged in terms of the message/truths intended to be conveyed, I agree that should be a criteria off the top of my head.

I don't believe one could evaluate a solely oral tradition for consistency.

Some "faith" would have to be applied in order to believe such as true.

;)
 
frisian said:
I don't believe one could evaluate a solely oral tradition for consistency.
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Probably, but even written scripture goes through revision, translation, and interpretation. How, then, can we tell if any religious tradition is representative of truth?
Some "faith" would have to be applied in order to believe such as true.
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Absolutely, and therein lies the problem. Faith is soley based on the individual's opinion of what is true. Humans, of course, are both fallible and malleable, as are their opinions.

So really, the condition for religious traditions standing the test of time are not necessarily that they represent what is true, but that it's member continue to believe that it is true. (Again, highly recommend Neil Gaiman's book)
 
Upchurch said:
Probably, but even written scripture goes through revision, translation, and interpretation. How, then, can we tell if any religious tradition is representative of truth?
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The revisions of the Hebrew texts have been what? I indeed understand the problems inherent in translations. Or think I do. :D I should say.



Absolutely, and therein lies the problem. Faith is soley based on the individual's opinion of what is true. Humans, of course, are both fallible and malleable, as are their opinions.
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Agreed, although I don't find it categorically problematic, unless wants to assert absolute truth...which I don't.

So really, the condition for religious traditions standing the test of time are not necessarily that they represent what is true, but that it's member continue to believe that it is true. (Again, highly recommend Neil Gaiman's book)
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Neil Gaiman's book? I don't recall you suggesting it before.
 
RussDill said:
[Completely OT: Check your PM's]
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I got your PM, but since I also got a headache today, I don't know whether I will be able to answer mathematical questions. Perhaps I will have to stick with philosophical questions for now, but I will see what I can do.

Speaking of philosophical questions...

Iacchus said:
So, if energy can't be destroyed (these are not my words by the way), is that to say it's always existed, even before the Big Bang?
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If energy can't be destroyed within this world (not my words either, but sounds plausible), does that tell us anything about the events before our universe came into existence? Is the term "before" even applicable, since time could be considered to be a trait of just our world?

I really don't know. But let's assume that there was a time before the Big Bang, and that energy always existed.

Aren't you curious why there is energy? Not even a tiny little bit?

Boy, are you a hardcore positivist. And I suspected you to be some kind of metaphysician.
 
I'm referring to things like radio waves.
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Then That would be Electro-magnetic energy.
Are you suggesting that god is electro-magnetic radiation?
 
uruk said:

Then That would be Electro-magnetic energy.
Are you suggesting that god is electro-magnetic radiation?
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In terms of the manifestation of intelligence I would say yes.
 
No, he just says "yes". And he pretends to be doing it in terms of the manifestation of intelligence.



But we doubt it.
 
Upchurch said:
You're saying that electromagnietic radiation is intelligent?
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Right there is proof the magnet therapy can make a person smarter, the person can tap into God's omniscience.
 
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