White House Survivor

Worm said:
Rumblings that John Kelly might be next. 'not on speaking terms with Trump'

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/07/politics/john-kelly-chief-of-staff-donald-trump/index.html
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Aesop's Fable "The Farmer and the Viper" where a farmer takes pity on a viper freezing in the snow, picks it up, and warms it in his coat. Once revived the viper fatally bites the farmer:

"Why did you bite me?" asks the farmer before he dies.

"That is what I do and what I am. You knew I was a viper when you picked me up." replies the snake.
 
Giordano said:
Aesop's Fable "The Farmer and the Viper" where a farmer takes pity on a viper freezing in the snow, picks it up, and warms it in his coat. Once revived the viper fatally bites the farmer:

"Why did you bite me?" asks the farmer before he dies.

"That is what I do and what I am. You knew I was a viper when you picked me up." replies the snake.
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Exactly. Kelly knew what he was getting into.

I guess that he might have acted as a bit of a fig leaf.
 
d4m10n said:
Rumblings that John Kelly might be next. 'not on speaking terms with Trump'
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Not gonna lie, I'm a bit scared.
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Why be scared? Trump has been unhinged pretty much from day 1, and Kelly has been increasingly marginalized. Hard to think of how things could get worse.

Perhaps with Kelly gone, there will be a greater chance of Trump self-destructing, with an occasional republican thinking "he's gone too far".
 
Segnosaur said:
Why be scared? Trump has been unhinged pretty much from day 1, and Kelly has been increasingly marginalized. Hard to think of how things could get worse.
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Kelly may have been preventing any number of nightmare scenarios, most of which involve escalations of existing international conflicts or trade wars. Sending troops to Texas probably won't touch off an international incident, but there are plenty of other places to send American troops.
 
Segnosaur said:
Why be scared? Trump has been unhinged pretty much from day 1, and Kelly has been increasingly marginalized. Hard to think of how things could get worse.

Perhaps with Kelly gone, there will be a greater chance of Trump self-destructing, with an occasional republican thinking "he's gone too far".
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At this point, I'm starting to wonder if there is anything Trump can do to make Republicans think he's gone too far.
 
d4m10n said:
Kelly may have been preventing any number of nightmare scenarios, most of which involve escalations of existing international conflicts or trade wars. Sending troops to Texas probably won't touch off an international incident, but there are plenty of other places to send American troops.
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You are of course assuming that Kelly actually has any influence to prevent Trump from doing stupid stuff with the military or the economy.

As I mentioned before, Kelly has largely been sidelined as of late. And many of the foolish things Trump has done (like starting trade wars) were things that Kelly wouldn't have been involved in doing anyways.

In fact, its possible that Kelly is an enabler, someone who gives Trump a figleaf of respect when it is not deserved.
 
Kelly leaving is more a problem for keeping the lights on in the White House than stopping Trump from ordering the country to go to DEFCON 1, just to show China how serious he is about trade: by now, non-flunkies just don't follow Trump's nonsense orders anymore.
 
Segnosaur said:
Why be scared? Trump has been unhinged pretty much from day 1, and Kelly has been increasingly marginalized. Hard to think of how things could get worse.

Perhaps with Kelly gone, there will be a greater chance of Trump self-destructing, with an occasional republican thinking "he's gone too far".
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THngs could get a lot worse....as in Trump starts a war for no good reason worse.
 
I just hope the Republican Senators develop a sense of personal self-preservation. Trump is going to push at the boundaries until someone stops him, and if the GOP Senate had any self-awareness, they'd see that eventually they'll end up as his enemies.

Kelly might have tried, but everyone who plays ball with a narcissist with power is going to get burned unless he loses power before that.
 
Does anyone now doubt that Tillerson called Trump a 'moron'? Or that he was wrong in doing so?

If Tillerson is "dumb as a rock' and "lazy as hell", why did Trump appoint him as Sec. of State in the first place? It reflects more on Trump's competency than Tillerson's. If anyone is dumb as a rock and lazy as hell, it's Trump.
 
dudalb said:
THngs could get a lot worse....as in Trump starts a war for no good reason worse.
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I think you will find there are checks and balances in place to prevent that......



And by checks and balances I mean we have to hope Twitter’s terms and conditions don’t allow you to declare war using their service!
 
Foolmewunz said:
Well, he's far from the most unqualified. He at least had a tenure on the NLRB, where his number two was found to have been hiring based on conservative litmus test issues but Acosta knew nothing about that, no really he didn't, he said so.

His singular qualification is that he's Cuban-American and a crumb for the South Florida Viva El Donald brigade. He's also the only Latino in the cabinet.
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Sorry, I missed typing out 'Bush' before 'appointee'. I've been missing words and typing in the wrong words a lot lately, which is honestly troubling to me.

At any rate, yes, it turns out he was one of those 'conservative' (GOP style) lapdogs that Bush pushed through with a ton of appointments from 'conservative' law schools.
 
Stacyhs said:
Does anyone now doubt that Tillerson called Trump a 'moron'? Or that he was wrong in doing so?

If Tillerson is "dumb as a rock' and "lazy as hell", why did Trump appoint him as Sec. of State in the first place? It reflects more on Trump's competency than Tillerson's. If anyone is dumb as a rock and lazy as hell, it's Trump.
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And how many times has Trump now used this same strategy, over and over again? Ex-cabinet members. Ex-staff. Ex-lawyers...

"Sure I appointed them but I always thought they were an idiot (liar, etc)." Particularly when they finally are willing to tell the truth about him. I just don't get it.

Would any executive in any company or organization be allowed to get away with such crap?
 
Giordano said:
And how many times has Trump now used this same strategy, over and over again? Ex-cabinet members. Ex-staff. Ex-lawyers...

"Sure I appointed them but I always thought they were an idiot (liar, etc)." Particularly when they finally are willing to tell the truth about him. I just don't get it.

Would any executive in any company or organization be allowed to get away with such crap?
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If any executive made as many bad decisions in hiring as Trump, they'd have been fired for incompetency long ago.
 
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