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White Fragility

Distracted1 said:
It is also the culture of the majority.
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What if it wasn't?

Would it still not be the culture that usually works the best for people everywhere?

Self-reliance. Without some amount of self-reliance a single individual on a deserted island will die in haste. It doesn't matter what color, creed, or social standing they have; they must be able to be self-reliant. Independence and autonomy go hand-in-hand to ensure one will pick oneself up, gather resources, and do what it takes to survive.

The person who doesn't will starve, and while they may not 'deserve' that end, it will the logical, linear conclusion...so an understanding of cause and effect is also vital to continued survival.

Therefore, the culture that teaches self-reliance is teaching what works.

I think a similar argument could be made for many of the other points on the list. Likely not all of them; but many.
 
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DragonLady said:
What if it wasn't?

Would it still not be the culture that usually works the best for people everywhere?

Self-reliance. Without some amount of self-reliance a single individual on a deserted island will die in haste. It doesn't matter what color, creed, or social standing they have; they must be able to be self-reliant. Independence and autonomy go hand-in-hand to ensure one will pick oneself up, gather resources, and do what it takes to survive.

The person who doesn't will starve, and while they may not 'deserve' that end, it will the logical, linear conclusion...so an understanding of cause and effect is also vital to continued survival.

Therefore, the culture that teaches self-reliance is teaching what works.

I think a similar argument could be made for many of the other points on the list. Likely not all of them; but many.
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If your argument that you can make for many of the other points is that it matters how useful it is for an isolated individual on a deserted island....then that argument is stupid.
 
DragonLady said:
It's on the little graphic posted by d4m10n, next to "emphasis on scientific method".
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Okay, but I still fail to find where in the infographic the listed attributes are described as a "terrible legacy that we need to overcome", as shuttIt alleges.
 
BobTheCoward said:
If your argument that you can make for many of the other points is that it matters how useful it is for an isolated individual on a deserted island....then that argument is stupid.
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It's what led to the formation of the white race, isn't it?

Taking initiative, leaving Africa and the tribe, learning to overcome new hardships. cope with new environments, find new food sources, make new shelters and weapons....

I think it's safe to say -and the graphic does say- "white" culture is a culture of individualists.

But I think it would be equally safe to say large groups of individualists will always form the dominant culture, no matter what race they are.

The one person who leaves the herd, makes his own life, and finds happiness on his own terms will attract the attention of others who want the same, and they will form an alliance....

I think they've confused "white" with simply "successful". If anyone wants to be successful, regardless or race or other factors, they have to learn to follow the ways that work, and discard the ones that don't.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Is the implication that the person leaves the deserted island? It doesn't seem like much was started by single individuals isolated on deserted islands.
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If every person who set out for a new world landed on a deserted island, there wouldn't be any new cultures or new races.

Which would be a good argument that leaving the old homeland, disregarding old traditions and laughing in the face of the status quo would not have been a successful strategy for anyone.

But history shows us that's not what happened. Enough of those who left survived long enough to take control of a new landscape and become a new, dominating race.
 
DragonLady said:
If every person who set out for a new world landed on a deserted island, there wouldn't be any new cultures or new races.

Which would be a good argument that leaving the old homeland, disregarding old traditions and laughing in the face of the status quo would not have been a successful strategy for anyone.

But history shows us that's not what happened. Enough of those who left survived long enough to take control of a new landscape and become a new, dominating race.
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But how did they do that if they were by themselves?
 
Checkmite said:
Okay, but I still fail to find where in the infographic the listed attributes are described as a "terrible legacy that we need to overcome", as shuttIt alleges.
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Of course it's there. "Whiteness" is only ever spoken of as a thing to eliminate, or at least reduce to make way for something else. Non-whiteness, perhaps.

The infographic was taken from an article stating that "Whiteness and the normalization of white racial identity throughout America's history have created a culture where nonwhite persons are seen as inferior or abnormal."

Do you think that we shouldn't eliminate something in which nonwhite persons are seen as inferior or abnormal?

You're not a.....white supremacist are you!
 
BobTheCoward said:
But how did they do that if they were by themselves?
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Please, either read every word of my posts and respond to what I've said, or put me on ignore and don't bother to respond to any of it.

Let's try again:

The one person who leaves the herd, makes his own life, and finds happiness on his own terms will attract the attention of others who want the same, and they will form an alliance....
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If you want to argue there was some other human history, that small groups of people did not migrate 'round the globe, and that the ability to call home to ask how to tie shoelaces or what to eat if one couldn't find zebras was a thing, you can do that. But don't pretend it has anything to do with what I'm saying.
 
While we're on the subject, I do agree that the term "white privilege" can be misleading.

Blum agreed that privilege exists and is systemic yet nonetheless criticized the label itself, saying that the word "privilege" implies luxuries rather than rights, and arguing that some benefits of privilege such as unimpeded access to education and housing would be better understood as rights; Blum suggested that privilege theory should distinguish between "spared injustice" and "unjust enrichment" as some effects of being privileged are the former and others the latter. Blum also argued that privilege can end up homogenising both privileged and non-privileged groups when in fact it needs to take account the role of interacting effects and an individual's multiple group identities.[36] "White privilege", Michael Monahan argued, would be more accurately described as the advantages gained by whites through historical disenfranchisement of non-whites rather than something that gives whites privilege above and beyond normal human status.[37]
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DragonLady said:
Please, either read every word of my posts and respond to what I've said, or put me on ignore and don't bother to respond to any of it.

Let's try again:



If you want to argue there was some other human history, that small groups of people did not migrate 'round the globe, and that the ability to call home to ask how to tie shoelaces or what to eat if one couldn't find zebras was a thing, you can do that. But don't pretend it has anything to do with what I'm saying.
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But how did the person attract others if they were alone on a deserted island? You were the one talking about islands. This doesn't sound like isolation on a deserted island.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Along with the assertion that they've become "normalized", it was a list of aspects of white culture like their traditions, attitudes and way of life (for example objective, rational, linear thinking).
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Actually this is another one of those silly traps that the woke folk have set for everybody. Yes, it sucks horribly that white culture is the dominant culture in the United States and the only thing that would suck worse is if whites start appropriating black culture.

Now pardon me while I throw out all my blues, jazz and rock albums.
 
DragonLady said:
Right.

Bye.
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Brainster said:
Actually this is another one of those silly traps that the woke folk have set for everybody. Yes, it sucks horribly that white culture is the dominant culture in the United States and the only thing that would suck worse is if whites start appropriating black culture.

Now pardon me while I throw out all my blues, jazz and rock albums.
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Why do you find that objectionable?
 
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