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Where is the Common Ground?

Ziggurat said:
I don't think people should be following Twitter in general. It's a cesspit.
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And the president is wallowing in it, supplying more than his share of the cess. Why on earth should we accept the instruction to ignore him and give him a pass on his behavior? He's choosing to publish awful, foolish, and vicious remarks on a global platform. I'd say that merits scrutiny and judgment.
 
kellyb said:
Not necessarily. It depends on who you follow.
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I here its great for news on specific topics if you're careful about who you follow, I've never quite figure a good use for it myself.

TragicMonkey said:
Other countries seem to be taking them seriously, as are those investigating Trump as he seems to keep making damaging admissions on Twitter. The courts also agreed that a president's Tweets are official enough to fall under recordkeeping laws.
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We are in the unfortunate position where we have a president who's tweets and really everything he says can't be taken seriously but he's the president so we have to take them seriously.
 
ahhell said:
I here its great for news on specific topics if you're careful about who you follow, I've never quite figure a good use for it myself..
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If you have any favorite quasi-obscure journalists and bloggers you love, their feeds and the comments in them are the best.

I also follow a few comedians, like Patton Oswalt.

I also have a "list" (an essential function for me - only takes a second to figure out) for hyper-local politics.
 
TragicMonkey said:
And the president is wallowing in it, supplying more than his share of the cess. Why on earth should we accept the instruction to ignore him and give him a pass on his behavior? He's choosing to publish awful, foolish, and vicious remarks on a global platform. I'd say that merits scrutiny and judgment.
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It's not the scrutiny and judgement where we diverge. It's the hyperbole.
 
ahhell said:
We are in the unfortunate position where we have a president who's tweets and really everything he says can't be taken seriously but he's the president so we have to take them seriously.
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That's the secret of the American presidency. You don't actually have to take everything the President says seriously.
 
TragicMonkey said:
And the president is wallowing in it, supplying more than his share of the cess. Why on earth should we accept the instruction to ignore him and give him a pass on his behavior? He's choosing to publish awful, foolish, and vicious remarks on a global platform. I'd say that merits scrutiny and judgment.
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You judged him. Do you think his Twitter habit will change for the next two years? Do you think your judgment will change within the next two years?
 
Ziggurat said:
You judged him. Do you think his Twitter habit will change for the next two years? Do you think your judgment will change within the next two years?
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Of course I judge him. I think it's perfectly fair to judge people by their deeds and statements. Don't you? And no, I don't think he'll stop Tweeting like a insane idiot in the next two years, nor do I see myself coming around to admiring him for it.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Of course I judge him. I think it's perfectly fair to judge people by their deeds and statements. Don't you? And no, I don't think he'll stop Tweeting like a insane idiot in the next two years, nor do I see myself coming around to admiring him for it.
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Way to miss the point, TM.

You have made your judgment of Trump. I'm not disputing your judgment. For these purposes, we can assume your judgment is 100% correct. And Trump will probably continue to tweet as he's been tweeting, and your judgment will remain the same.

So why do you need to keep following him on Twitter? So that you can keep reaching the same judgment you've already reached? To the extent that Trump's twitter behavior reveals something about him that's important to know, hasn't that already been revealed? What more do you expect to discover?
 
Ziggurat said:
Way to miss the point, TM.
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Way to explain yourself well, in writing, Zig.

So why do you need to keep following him on Twitter? So that you can keep reaching the same judgment you've already reached? To the extent that Trump's twitter behavior reveals something about him that's important to know, hasn't that already been revealed? What more do you expect to discover?
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I don't follow him on Twitter. I don't follow anyone on Twitter. I read the news, however, and unfortunately that's where his Tweets land because they have global impact. When the most powerful man on the planet is a deranged jerk then yes, his ravings and threats are news.

Are you under the impression that people should just say "Yup, he's a bad one!" and ignore everything that he does and says going forward?
 
theprestige said:
That's the secret of the American presidency. You don't actually have to take everything the President says seriously.
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I think it was Dan Rather who pointed out that there could come a crisis where it's very important that the American public believes Trump, but most of them won't. That's your new normal; I greatly prefer the old one.
 
WilliamSeger said:
I think it was Dan Rather who pointed out that there could come a crisis where it's very important that the American public believes Trump, but most of them won't. That's your new normal; I greatly prefer the old one.
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Dan Rather. Criticizing other people for lost credibility.
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TragicMonkey said:
Are you under the impression that people should just say "Yup, he's a bad one!" and ignore everything that he does and says going forward?
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You should mostly ignore what he says, yes. What he does is a different matter, but you don't need to read his tweets to follow that.
 
Ziggurat said:
You should mostly ignore what he says, yes. What he does is a different matter, but you don't need to read his tweets to follow that.
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We should ignore the President calling black people "dogs" and "low IQ" and the thousand other horrible things he's done and said? And if there's a tape of Trump using the N-word? Should we ignore that?
 
Distracted1 said:
By what logic should one ignore what the POTUS says?
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Because it's what he does that ultimately matters, and for Trump more than most presidents there's a disconnect between the two.

Stop chasing the squirrels.
 
Fudbucker said:
We should ignore the President calling black people "dogs" and "low IQ" and the thousand other horrible things he's done and said? And if there's a tape of Trump using the N-word? Should we ignore that?
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You already know he says offensive things. Do you really need to keep listening so you can be individually offended by each new one? Do you enjoy taking offense? Far be it from me to interfere if that's your kink, but otherwise it seems like a waste of time.
 
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