Where is the Common Ground?

PhantomWolf said:
Except that this isn't common ground either.The Right wants less Government Regulating Businesses, the Left wants more regulations protecting people from Businesses. The Left want the Government out of the bedroom and Toilets, the Right wants the Government to regulated who you can love, have sex with, marry and which bathroom you have to use.

Neither side really want less Government, they just want less Government control over their pet areas and more controls over the other side's pet areas.
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You skipped reproductive rights. That one trumps everything for me. The Right has been on the wrong side of that issue since I've been alive. The Left could sell out on taxes and business regulations (like a lot of people think they have), but as long as they're pro-choice, I'll support them.
 
Ziggurat said:
Which is why the federal government should be reduced in size. The less important it is in our daily lives, the less consuming these political differences are.
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I don't agree with this opinion. The government should be there to protect our environment, people, food, drugs and more. The government should be there to protect minorities from the persecution of the majority. Government should be there to provide for the general welfare of the public. Government should be there to help the poor, the disabled and those who can't help themselves. Reduction in the size of government only serves to give power to the wealthy and away from the people.
 
Fudbucker said:
Yes, my claim is that you're wrong. I gave an example why. Do you still think people overestimate how important the federal government is in their lives?
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I believe they underestimate the importance. From what we eat, to what we drive and drive on is safer because of government. Without government, acid rain would still be a thing and even worse. Fraud would not be a crime. It's been shown time and time again that the free market does not self-correct with the public's safety or interest in mind.
 
PhantomWolf said:
That was covered in the "each side's pet areas" bit.
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The problem with that is that reproductive rights aren't any more of a "pet area" than civil rights (which is also a Democrat thing). The modern Democratic party has been right on these issues (reproductive rights and civil rights), and has had to do constant battle against a religiously motivated opposition that has shown itself to be racist, misogynistic, and ignorant.

There is no moral equivalency between the two sides. If not for our weird system, liberals would be running Congress and the Presidency and choosing SCOTUS judges.
 
theprestige said:
Why do you think that Plato's Socratic Douchebaggery was a better way to explain your point of view, than simply explaining your point of view?
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Plato was a Socratic douchebag. Got it.

tyr_13 said:
Such ground. Much common.
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Actually I think there is a lot of common ground, but it won't be admitted to by certain posters because that would involve being on ground that doesn't belong to them alone. And they will stand their ground no matter how swampy it becomes, because to move onto common ground is to admit that theirs is a swamp.
 
The lack of moral equivalency on health care is so stark that, after we get that under control like the entire rest of the modern civilized world, it will be one of those things that even the conservatives of the time will agree are obviously such basic government obligations that of course there's no way they or any other sane person would ever oppose any of them or any responsible government would ever neglect, just like clean water, food that isn't rotten or parasite-infested, roads, a military force, and police.
 
Delvo said:
The lack of moral equivalency on health care is so stark that, after we get that under control like the entire rest of the modern civilized world, it will be one of those things that even the conservatives of the time will agree are obviously such basic government obligations that of course there's no way they or any other sane person would ever oppose any of them or any responsible government would ever neglect, just like clean water, food that isn't rotten or parasite-infested, roads, a military force, and police.
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You would think that they aren't opposed to clean water, food..etc. However, they are applauding the Trump regimes dismantling of EPA and FDA standards.
 
After 350 posts I think we can safely say that the common ground (sub: in the current US political environment) is that both sides like to belittle the other.

Question answered. Thread closed.
 
Ziggurat said:
Which is why the federal government should be reduced in size. The less important it is in our daily lives, the less consuming these political differences are.
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This is a 300 million + people country. There a multitude of complicated complex needs. What size is right? What government services are not needed? Should we eliminate SSN, AFDC, NOAA, DARPA, NASA, FDA, FEC, HUD, EPA, DOT, NHTSA, FAA,etc, etc. How about the Navy or the Air Force?

This idea of reducing the Federal government without knowing precisely why and how it should be cut and what the effects would be is absurd.

I'm all in favor of being efficient but smaller just for the sake of smaller is basically dumbass right wing radio talk.
 
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acbytesla said:
I heard he's gone to work for the campaign.
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From the CNN story:

The White House, which asked CNN to hold off on the story for several days last week declined to say when Beattie left the White House. Beattie's email address at the White House, which worked until late Friday evening, was no longer active by Saturday.
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Apparently CNN honored that White House request? How did they find common ground? I actually find it kind of encouraging that there is apparently a working relationship between CNN and the White House.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Non-Politically there is a lot, both sides think that hot dogs are a perfect food for a baseball game, and for some reason believe that a Cheese pizza is actually something, rather than that it's missing the real toppings. They agree that you have Turkey on Turkey Day, and Parades and fireworks on Independence Day.
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I'll be attending a ballgame with my right-wing brother and nephew Saturday ... courtesy my left-wing brother's birthday gift to said nephew ... we will talk about baseball.

I'm rooting for Havana to get an MLB team.

PhantomWolf said:
When over half the country believe that their political rivals are so terrible that they are out to destroy the country, how can you find common ground politically? Sadly, I suspect that should this poll be conducted today, the stats would be even worse.
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I keep wondering about this. At the extremes of polarity how can it get worse? Civil war, of course. There's that.

Though in its heart of hearts I'm pretty sure the Right knows that the POS in the White House is not worth fighting a war over.
 
Minoosh said:
I'll be attending a ballgame with my right-wing brother and nephew Saturday ... courtesy my left-wing brother's birthday gift to said nephew ... we will talk about baseball.

I'm rooting for Havana to get an MLB team.

I keep wondering about this. At the extremes of polarity how can it get worse? Civil war, of course. There's that.

Though in its heart of hearts I'm pretty sure the Right knows that the POS in the White House is not worth fighting a war over.
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If fake news would stop lying about everything political under the sun the problems would go away. For example, the whole Ferguson debacle was caused by fake news. No fake news, no Ferguson.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
If fake news would stop lying about everything political under the sun the problems would go away. For example, the whole Ferguson debacle was caused by fake news. No fake news, no Ferguson.
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The DoJ disagree

Seriously, you should read it. When the court officials use their work emails to send racist jokes about crimestoppers funding abortions for blacks, and void traffic fines for them and their friends whilst saying that blacks don't take responsibility for their actions, then justice is obviously not being administered equally.
 
PhantomWolf said:
When over half the country believe that their political rivals are so terrible that they are out to destroy the country, how can you find common ground politically? Sadly, I suspect that should this poll be conducted today, the stats would be even worse.
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I have never thought that way about the GOP even though I have strong differences about the best way forward for the country. But the Republican party isn't even the party it was 2 years ago. Now it is the party of Trump. And Trump's attacks on dedicated public servants, and the press not to mention his dumbass tariffs all pose a serious threat to the country.
 
Fudbucker said:
The problem with that is that reproductive rights aren't any more of a "pet area" than civil rights (which is also a Democrat thing). The modern Democratic party has been right on these issues (reproductive rights and civil rights), and has had to do constant battle against a religiously motivated opposition that has shown itself to be racist, misogynistic, and ignorant.

There is no moral equivalency between the two sides. If not for our weird system, liberals would be running Congress and the Presidency and choosing SCOTUS judges.
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But see this is just it, you are so sure that you are right about where you stand on Abortion and Civil Rights issues, and yet so are those that are on the other side. What you see as the right of a woman to have control over her own body, they see as murdering another human. There is no common ground because you are diametrically opposed to each other's positions, and you both exclaim that you are the ones whom are right.

Case in point....

Ziggurat said:
What do you mean, “except”? Yes, lots of people don’t agree with me, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong about it.
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It's not about being wrong or right, the fact is that both sides claim to be the ones that are right, it's that as you yourself admit, there are lots of people that don't agree with you, and thus there is no common ground.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
If fake news would stop lying about everything political under the sun the problems would go away. For example, the whole Ferguson debacle was caused by fake news. No fake news, no Ferguson.
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Another perfect example of the issue. One side depicts the media as "Fake News" and liars and enemies of the people, brainwashing those that listen to them to hate the President, believe untruths, and to see a distorted version of reality.

The other side sees the media as courageous stalwarts, standing firm against the flood of lies coming from the White House and a dysfunctional President, a press corps that is willing and able to inform and tell the people the truth and reality of the situation the country is in.

How do you find any common ground here?
 
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