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Where is RSL?

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Where oh where is Robert Lancaster? I kinda miss the guy.

Sorry for referring tp myself in the third person (ala Bob Dole), but it really fits the situation. by the end of this post, I hope it will seem less like a hackneyed literary device, and more like the way I think of myself these days.

When I think of how I define myself (as I've done often of late), I tend to think of the things about myself of which I am most proud. And I find that, post-stroke, many/most of those things no longer apply to me.

Singing ability

As I discussed in a previous "poor me" thread, I no longer have the decent singing voice I used to. This is something of which I was very proud. It may come back in time, but for now, thanks to operations and a year of disuse, my singing voice is nowhere near where it used to be.

My sense of humor

I have always had an ability to make folks laugh. Usually, anyway. This is something that seems to have remained largely intact. Score one for the home team.

My knowledge of playing card histry

I've been collecting unusual decks of playing cards for more than ten years, and have more than 1,000 decks in my collection. About ten years ago, i started a little web site devoted to the hobby. It was one of the first of its kind on the web, which resulted in my being very well-known among other such collectors, and my being thought of as an expert of sorts. I got tons of email from around the world on the subject, got articles published in National magazines on the subject, and supplied paying card props to a few films. While I was in hospital from the stroke, AOL evidently deleted my web site when they cleared out their Hometown section. My lack of income has prevented me from adding to my collection for some time now. I am so out of touch with the hobby that I have forgotten much of what I knew. So, even if I still had the site, I would be unable to help anyone who emailed me with a question on the subject.

My Skeptical Endeavors

I am proud of the help I have given people, and whatever other positive impact that my Stopsites have had. Due to the stroke and some other problems, I have not updated the sites in more than a year, and don't know when I will be able to again.

Being a good father

Not a great one, but a good one. I have three kids, all in their 20s. Up until the stroke, I had a good relationship with all of them.

After the stroke, I rarely see or hear from two of them, and the third, not at all. I get the impression that I am less their Dad now than I am a frightening reminder of their Dad's mortality.

My physical presence

Evidently, some folks found RSL's size and mien somewhat imposing. at present, I feel that I am a pitiable-looking shlub in a wheel chair. I never enjoyed frightening people, but it was better than the looks I get from people now: the same look they would probably give to a three-legged puppy they found in the street.

Being a good programmer

I made a living programming computers for more than thirty years before the stroke. After, my employer payed six months' of short-term disability, and i have had zero income since then (Feb 2009). Even if my employer wanted me back, I don't know how useful I would be, nor how long it would take me to get back into the saddle again.

Being a good provider

See above.

Being a good husband

Susan and I have only been married for a little over two years now, but I have always tried to be there for her. to be supportive and loving and protective.

Since the stroke, the whole dynamic between us has changed. She met and fell in love with RSL, and married him in 2007. Fourteen months later, the stroke hit. RSL should have died. Twice. Spent six weeks asleep/in a coma, and 11 months in rehab. Susan spent all of that time fiercely protecting RSL, and looking out for his health care, seeing that he was prepared to go home. After all of that, she took him home, only to find that the person she took home was no longer RSL.

He was now me.

I compare it to this: remember, as a child, telling your parents what you wanted for Christmas - some new toy you really longed for - then Christmas morning, you excitedly open the present, only to find that your parents inadvertently got you something similar to what you asked for, but not quite right. Maybe they couldn't find what you wanted (a Cabbage Patch Kid) , and got you sme cheap knock-off imitation instead (A Lettuce Leaf Baby). It was nice that they got you something, but it just wasn't - right. Or, perhaps a better analogy: As a child, you were crushed when your dog Sparky, your pet of many years, died. Trying to help, your parents buy you another dog "just like" Sparky - same breed, markings and size. You appreciate it, and might even name the new dog Sparky II, but he just isn't Sparky. In time, you may grow to love Sparky II even more than you loved Sparky, but Sparky is gone for good.

Now, we all change over time. We wake up every morning a slightly different person - physically, mentally and emotionally - than we were the day before. So, nobody married for more than a day still has the same spouse that they married. But the events of the past year have left Susan with a far different husband than she had.

But wait, there's more!

I can't say that I was ever proud of my abillity to stand up, walk across a room, get to the toilet, drive a car, open my left hand, or dozens of other seemingly inconsequential things. But now that I can no longer do them, they all seem like wonderful abilities that I should have been proud of, and I will certainly be proud of them as I regain them.

One thing which petrifies me: what if some of those things I listed above - things of which I am proud, but are now mostly gone - what if some of them were part of why Susan fell in love? Where does that leave us now?

We are struggling, trying to make sense of it all, and to make sense of who we are as a couple.

And I am trying to make sense of who I am, period. I am struggling to rethink how I define myself. But man, it is hard.

Thanks for reading this. My apologies if it was too self-indulgent.

Mods, please leave this in General Skepticism for at least a few days. Perhaps even Sticky it up with Susan's threads,

Thanks,

-"RSL II"
 
Robert,

Ignore the
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No, I don't care if that earns me a moderator rebuke or even a few days off. I've really appreciated reading your thoughts and experiences after this life-changing event. It's made me stop and be thankful for what I have and what I can do. The life you have now is not the life you had before, but that doesn't mean it has to be any less fulfilling. It's just different.

As far as I'm concerned, your contributions to skepticism and this forum have earned you the right to be a bit self indulgent. Keep it up. I wish I could be more eloquent.
 
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After all of that, she took him home, only to find that the person she took home was no longer RSL.

He was now me.
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And I am trying to make sense of who I am, period. I am struggling to rethink how I define myself. But man, it is hard.

That's quite a struggle.

I've seen the personality and cognitive changes various degrees of brain trauma can cause. I've seen some severe cases where there was a great deal of anger even though cognitively all that was left was the awareness that "I'm not who I once was". I've also seen "milder" cases where the personality changes are very subtle but ended up causing great problems to relationships.

I don't envy you your struggle, but I do envy your guts for tackling it head on.

And it sounds like you've made quite a bit of progress in re-defining yourself and your relationships.

I think you left something important out of the topic "Skeptical Endeavors"--the way you're handling this struggle. You still apparently have a strong commitment to honesty and facing reality over wishful or other nonsensical thinking. You still follow the evidence.

It's got to be much more difficult when the question is "Who am I?" rather than something like "Does Sylvia Browne actually help solve missing persons cases?"

It sounds like you think you still have far to go, but I think you should be commended on what you've accomplished to this point.
 
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Yeah, let's turn GS&P into RSL's blog ...

Thread tools/ignore this thread.
I would rather Catbasket/Add Catbasket to your Ignore List, but then I wuld be deprived of your kindness and understanding. (Should you ever develop any)

Robert,

Ignore the
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Too late, Dave! I think the kittycat has been using the catbasket for a litterbox.

No, I don't care if that earns me a moderator rebuke or even a few days off. I've really appreciated reading your thoughts and experiences after this life-changing event. It's made me stop and be thankful for what I have and what I can do. The life you have now is not the life you had before, but that doesn't mean it has to be any less fulfilling. It's just different.

I know that is true Dave, but it is damned hard to really accept it.

As far as I'm concerned, your contributions to skepticism and this forum have earned you the right to be a bit self indulgent. Keep it up. I wish I could be more eloquent.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. And your eloquence is just fine.

That's quite a struggle.

I've seen the personality and cognitive changes various degrees of brain trauma can cause. I've seen some severe cases where there was a great deal of anger even though cognitively all that was left was the awareness that "I'm not who I once was". I've also seen "milder" cases where the personality changes are very subtle but ended up causing great problems to relationships.

Well, I've fortunately avoided much of the anger. If I was to be angry with somene, it should be myself, for all the sodium I ingested for so many years, which caused the hypertension which led to the stroke.

And I don't know of any personality changes, other than the occasional pronounced depression.

I don't envy you your struggle, but I do envy your guts for tackling it head on.

And it sounds like you've made quite a bit of progress in re-defining yourself and your relationships.

I think you left something important out of the topic "Skeptical Endeavors"--the way you're handling this struggle. You still apparently have a strong commitment to honesty and facing reality over wishful or other nonsensical thinking. You still follow the evidence.

It's got to be much more difficult when the question is "Who am I?" rather than something like "Does Sylvia Browne actually help solve missing persons cases?"

Well, it is definitely less fun. But the potential rewards are far greater.

It sounds like you think you still have far to go, but I think you should be commended on what you've accomplished to this point.

Thanks, Joe.
 
Mr. Lancaster, While I don't often post about it, I've been following your story since before the stroke. Cheering you on in your battle against Sylvia Browne (I really, really dislike that that woman) and wishing I still prayed after your stroke.

Your posts are a way of keeping in touch without adding the strain of stranger's well-meaning but exhausting contact. I look forward to them, they let me know how you are progressing. Please don't worry about being a bit maudlin sometimes, getting knocked down makes everyone introspective.

Take of yourself, you've got a lot of people rooting for you, even if we're not always vocal about it.
 
Wow, that was such a cool, witty whinge :) Seriously.

Maybe your next role is to be a spokesperson for people that have had strokes, must be thousands of people in the same boat that can't express themselves half as well.
 
Mr. Lancaster,

Thank you for sharing your story. I don't have much to offer in the way of encouragement or advice, but know that you are still intelligent, eloquent, and coherent. Surely these things are as much of who you are as the physical attributes.
 
Great post. It makes me wonder about such things as what really does define us as a person. Is it our abilities and talents? I don't know... if I suddenly woke up unable to draw, I think I would still be the same person, but boy would I have a hard time dealing with the loss of that ability since it is my living.

I had heard this before, that a trauma like this can really change a person in unexpected ways. This is the first time I've heard someone talk about the changes openly like this. I think it's an important discussion to have.

I've observed that people don't always notice or give themselves credit for progress they've made. It's sort of like, today's record is tomorrow's quota. You keep making progress but since you are always struggling with a new challenge it's hard to notice that oh, by the way, suddenly you can type easier. Which it looks like you can. (Or whatever other change.) They are small steps but they add up.
 
People change for various reasons. You have changed for reasons beyond your control. It's not like there is anything you can do except go forward from here. No you will never be the same but with time and effort you may become more similar. Keep at it.
 
Maybe your next role is to be a spokesperson for people that have had strokes, must be thousands of people in the same boat that can't express themselves half as well.
This is the first time I've heard someone talk about the changes openly like this. I think it's an important discussion to have.

I've observed that people don't always notice or give themselves credit for progress they've made. It's sort of like, today's record is tomorrow's quota. You keep making progress but since you are always struggling with a new challenge it's hard to notice that oh, by the way, suddenly you can type easier. Which it looks like you can. (Or whatever other change.) They are small steps but they add up.
You left off a couple of things off the list that you are now, the first of which is:

Stroke Survivor
Perhaps you'll never be an advocate for improved patient care or after-stroke therapy methodologies (or perhaps you will, my crystal ball doesn't work), but as others have said, you are sparking thinking about not just what cognitive and physical abilities define us, but also how those physical changes and our emotional reactions to them help us redefine the new people we want to/need to become.

Whatever New Things You Do
Because the crystal ball doesn't work, I can't say specifically what, but I'm willing to bet that you will become interested enough in something -- whether it's picking up an old hobby (playing cards, eh? I wish I knew where my mom's collection went...or the Stop[fill_in_the_name_of_your_favorite_charlatan] sites) or finding a new one (the history of wheelchairs, or developing forearms of steel, or ...well, something...) -- you'll find new ways of occupying your mind and your body, and you'll become an active contributor to society again.

I believe what you're experiencing now is a restlessness, a bit of a "nest-building" drive that will lead you to whatever the next thing is.

Shall you list your accomplishments in the past year? Weren't you in a coma/ deeply asleep just about this time last year? In that time, you've learned to talk again, to think again, to tell the difference between fantasy and reality, use your arm, toilet...you get the drift.

So work on singing, if it makes you happy. To those who love you, the mere sound of your voice at all is a reminder that you are still alive, and that's the sweetest sound of all.

Find a new skill you admire and work on cultivating it. Spend some time figuring out how to make money out of some skill you still retain or some skill you will develop. Sure you've been a programmer since computers first rose from the ground. Either that will come back, or you will learn something new. Look around you. What would help you in your activities of daily living? Would an iPhone application help somehow? Learn how to write iPhone applications and sell those. What new technology is interesting? Learn how to apply it and improve it.

Like that.

Oh, and one more:

Inspiration
You're a lot of that. A lot.
 
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I don't know what to say, except keep at it. One thing you have got is self respect...and respect of your friends here.
Im sure there will be a kerfuffle, asking for this to be moved to members, but don't take it to heart :D
 
You left off a couple of things off the list that you are now, the first of which is:

Stroke Survivor
Perhaps you'll never be an advocate for improved patient care or after-stroke therapy methodologies (or perhaps you will, my crystal ball doesn't work), but as others have said, you are sparking thinking about not just what cognitive and physical abilities define us, but also how those physical changes and our emotional reactions to them help us redefine the new people we want to/need to become.

Not long after I had the stroke, someone on the forum (Sorry, I don't remember who it was) sent me the book After the Stroke - 300 tips to make life easier by Cleo hutton[/I], who had a stroke herself. She says that she dislikes the terms "stroke survivor" and "stroke victim", preferring instead "stroke hero." Elsewhere, I see "stroke hero" used when referring to people like my Susan - those who recognized that a stroke had happened, and called 911. In the Amazon.com entry for the book, the "about the author" sectio describes Hutton as, primarily a "Stroke Survivor" - oops!

Whatever New Things You Do
Because the crystal ball doesn't work, I can't say specifically what, but I'm willing to bet that you will become interested enough in something -- whether it's picking up an old hobby (playing cards, eh? I wish I knew where my mom's collection went...or the Stop[fill_in_the_name_of_your_favorite_charlatan] sites) or finding a new one (the history of wheelchairs, or developing forearms of steel, or ...well, something...) -- you'll find new ways of occupying your mind and your body, and you'll become an active contributor to society again.

I believe what you're experiencing now is a restlessness, a bit of a "nest-building" drive that will lead you to whatever the next thing is.

Shall you list your accomplishments in the past year? Weren't you in a coma/ deeply asleep just about this time last year? In that time, you've learned to talk again, to think again, to tell the difference between fantasy and reality, use your arm, toilet...you get the drift.

So work on singing, if it makes you happy. To those who love you, the mere sound of your voice at all is a reminder that you are still alive, and that's the sweetest sound of all.

Find a new skill you admire and work on cultivating it. Spend some time figuring out how to make money out of some skill you still retain or some skill you will develop. Sure you've been a programmer since computers first rose from the ground. Either that will come back, or you will learn something new. Look around you. What would help you in your activities of daily living? Would an iPhone application help somehow? Learn how to write iPhone applications and sell those. What new technology is interesting? Learn how to apply it and improve it.

Like that.

Oh, and one more:

Inspiration
You're a lot of that. A lot.[/QUOTE]
 
You must be recovering if you can make a post like the OP. You can at least see the issues that face you. Now you can choose which ones to work on and which ones to ignore.
 
First of all, I'm going to disagree a bit and say that you are still RSL #1 in many, if not most, important ways.

Your sense of humor, for one. Second, your overall personality has not changed, which is really, really fortunate since with brain trauma that is not always the case. Third, or maybe this overlaps with #2, unless I'm mistaken you retain all of your memories of your past, your likes and dislikes - basically, the things that have made you "you" for the past 50 odd years. So you are you, with the same sense of humor, with your intellect/skeptical side for the most part intact, and with the same desires to love and protect your wife. You ARE the same man she married in very many important ways, again perhaps even the most important ways.

I think it's too early to say there's an RSL II. I think you are RSL I in Recovery. IMHO, it's just too soon for you to conclude yet that these changes are permanent.

Now that's the short form of what I wanted to say. Here's the long version:

For all anyone can really say, you may regain your singing voice in time. When circumstances permit, you may find yourself back to work on the Stop sites and just as enthusiastic, or you may find that you're ready to move on to some other skeptical pursuit. But isn't it true that your basic skeptical side remains? The who of you is still very much the same.

You may find eventually that you are able to return to programming. Those may be skills that take quite a bit longer to return, or perhaps you will need to re-learn them. If you love being a programmer, it may be worth it to go through the process of re-learning to do the work you enjoy most. If not, it may be it's time for a change. Who knows, maybe it's time to try your hand at writing a book or two.

So, RSL in Recovery is not going to be able to function in all the typical RSL ways just yet. That's depressing but it's not hopeless because you're in transition. You obviously can't be expected to be a provider just yet, or regain all of your left-sided functions immediately.

Now obviously I can't speak for Susan, but I will say this. You mentioned a fear that some or all of the following are things she might have fallen in love with, a very honest fear that I totally understand. To take them one by one:

Your sense of humor. I bet she loves that, and you've still got it. Your singing voice - I'm guessing that is more important to you than to Susan, and again, you may still regain that. Knowledge of playing card history - again, I'm going to hazard a guess that this is more important to you than to Susan, and this is another thing that you may eventually get back to. It's just too soon to say you won't.

The skeptical endeavors. Yes, I'd think she found that attractive. The thing is, that is not gone. It is only temporarily on hold, which is not the same thing as gone forever (unless you choose not to return to it, which would be different than not being capable of returning to it). And you are still an excellent writer. That's a very good thing.

Being a good father... It sounds to me like there's no evidence that has changed either. At least, your kids' issues surrounding mortality are not a reflection on you or whether you're a good father or not. They will come around when they're ready. This is probably more a depressing issue, in that you wish they might have responded differently, but it's in no way a reflection of your ability as a dad. Someday I suspect they may be disappointed in themselves.

Being a good husband... That's something relating to the "who" of you, the you that hasn't changed at all, with the same desires to love and protect. Your ability to function in this role physically is limited as you recover, but again, that is RSL in Recovery, not a permanent change, and certainly not a permanent condition meriting the term RSL II. Susan still has a good husband in RSL in Recovery, just one that has not yet regained full ability to act on what's in his heart.

Being a provider... The temporary inability not to be this is also not something to count against yourself because again, it's not permanent.

In the meantime, maybe it's important to just allow yourself to be RSL in Recovery? I know that is what you and Susan are both doing these days, working around your recovery. But am I wrong to say that whatever you are dealing with now will not necessarily be the case a year from now? You'll eventually likely regain most of the use of the left side of your body, you'll be a provider again one day, you'll be hard at work on something skeptical or helpful, you may regain that singing voice, your kids will come around eventually, and as you regain your function people will not look at you like a 3-legged puppy. (Anyway, as you know, you are much better off at a healthier weight, so as far as I'm concerned the heck with imposing. Healthier is better.)

Much love,
ExM
 
Thanks, all! Yes, more of RSL will return with time and effort. I know that in my head, but it is difficult to really know it in my gut and my heart.
 
Mr. Lancaster, While I don't often post about it, I've been following your story since before the stroke. Cheering you on in your battle against Sylvia Browne (I really, really dislike that that woman) and wishing I still prayed after your stroke.

Your posts are a way of keeping in touch without adding the strain of stranger's well-meaning but exhausting contact. I look forward to them, they let me know how you are progressing. Please don't worry about being a bit maudlin sometimes, getting knocked down makes everyone introspective.

Take of yourself, you've got a lot of people rooting for you, even if we're not always vocal about it.
thanks, bk!

Mr. Lancaster,

Thank you for sharing your story. I don't have much to offer in the way of encouragement or advice, but know that you are still intelligent, eloquent, and coherent. Surely these things are as much of who you are as the physical attributes.
thanks, DD!

First of all, I'm going to disagree a bit and say that you are still RSL #1 in many, if not most, important ways.
Probably so, ExM!

Your sense of humor, for one. Second, your overall personality has not changed, which is really, really fortunate since with brain trauma that is not always the case. Third, or maybe this overlaps with #2, unless I'm mistaken you retain all of your memories of your past, your likes and dislikes - basically, the things that have made you "you" for the past 50 odd years. So you are you, with the same sense of humor, with your intellect/skeptical side for the most part intact, and with the same desires to love and protect your wife. You ARE the same man she married in very many important ways, again perhaps even the most important ways.
I hope that she and I both can keep that in mind.

I think it's too early to say there's an RSL II. I think you are RSL I in Recovery. IMHO, it's just too soon for you to conclude yet that these changes are permanent.
I hope you are right.

Now that's the short form of what I wanted to say. Here's the long version:

For all anyone can really say, you may regain your singing voice in time. When circumstances permit, you may find yourself back to work on the Stop sites and just as enthusiastic, or you may find that you're ready to move on to some other skeptical pursuit. But isn't it true that your basic skeptical side remains? The who of you is still very much the same.

You may find eventually that you are able to return to programming. Those may be skills that take quite a bit longer to return, or perhaps you will need to re-learn them. If you love being a programmer, it may be worth it to go through the process of re-learning to do the work you enjoy most. If not, it may be it's time for a change. Who knows, maybe it's time to try your hand at writing a book or two.

So, RSL in Recovery is not going to be able to function in all the typical RSL ways just yet. That's depressing but it's not hopeless because you're in transition. You obviously can't be expected to be a provider just yet, or regain all of your left-sided functions immediately.

Now obviously I can't speak for Susan, but I will say this. You mentioned a fear that some or all of the following are things she might have fallen in love with, a very honest fear that I totally understand. To take them one by one:

Your sense of humor. I bet she loves that, and you've still got it. Your singing voice - I'm guessing that is more important to you than to Susan, and again, you may still regain that. Knowledge of playing card history - again, I'm going to hazard a guess that this is more important to you than to Susan, and this is another thing that you may eventually get back to. It's just too soon to say you won't.

The skeptical endeavors. Yes, I'd think she found that attractive. The thing is, that is not gone. It is only temporarily on hold, which is not the same thing as gone forever (unless you choose not to return to it, which would be different than not being capable of returning to it). And you are still an excellent writer. That's a very good thing.
Actually, I didn't even start the Stop sites until after I met Susan. In fact, she was instrumental in their creation.

Being a good father... It sounds to me like there's no evidence that has changed either. At least, your kids' issues surrounding mortality are not a reflection on you or whether you're a good father or not. They will come around when they're ready. This is probably more a depressing issue, in that you wish they might have responded differently, but it's in no way a reflection of your ability as a dad. Someday I suspect they may be disappointed in themselves.

Being a good husband... That's something relating to the "who" of you, the you that hasn't changed at all, with the same desires to love and protect. Your ability to function in this role physically is limited as you recover, but again, that is RSL in Recovery, not a permanent change, and certainly not a permanent condition meriting the term RSL II. Susan still has a good husband in RSL in Recovery, just one that has not yet regained full ability to act on what's in his heart.

Being a provider... The temporary inability not to be this is also not something to count against yourself because again, it's not permanent.

In the meantime, maybe it's important to just allow yourself to be RSL in Recovery? I know that is what you and Susan are both doing these days, working around your recovery. But am I wrong to say that whatever you are dealing with now will not necessarily be the case a year from now? You'll eventually likely regain most of the use of the left side of your body, you'll be a provider again one day, you'll be hard at work on something skeptical or helpful, you may regain that singing voice, your kids will come around eventually, and as you regain your function people will not look at you like a 3-legged puppy. (Anyway, as you know, you are much better off at a healthier weight, so as far as I'm concerned the heck with imposing. Healthier is better.)

Much love,
ExM[/QUOTE]
 
I don't post often, either, but your threads. This one is sad and inspiring, both. I watched several people in my family go thru strokes and what you said about not being the man Susan married may be true, but she certainly does not seem to love you any less and you two definately will work thru things together, just as you have so far.

I hope your kids come around. After my father had his strokes, we rallied around him like crazy. You certainly do deserve more support there.

Hang in there! You have a wife and a community who care for you. Thanks for sharing all your thoughts with us, both good and not so good. That takes guts, and that has NOT changed one little bit in you.
 
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Thanks, all! Yes, more of RSL will return with time and effort. I know that in my head, but it is difficult to really know it in my gut and my heart.

Well, as you can probably tell, we all think its an extremely worthwhile exercise.... you have success written all over you RSL, Im positive youll reign supreme over this as well.

Given the quality of OP, I think you're probably well on your way.... I wish I could construct english half as well as you. Im not so goodly with the wordiness :)
 

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