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Where Did The Particles That Started The Big Bang Come From?

In answer to the thread title, the answer is simple:

"We don't know."

Too bad that there are too many people who are uncomfortable with that response. It often leads to them making stuff up as if it were true and factual - like "Plasma Cosmology" :rolleyes:
 
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In answer to the thread title, the answer is simple:

"We don't know."

Too bad that there are too many people who are uncomfortable with that response. It often leads to them making stuff up as if it were true and factual - like "Plasma Cosmology" :rolleyes:
Too flippin' true!!!:D:rolleyes::jaw-dropp
 
Also called energy death. It's the final state.

Funny thing is - before this happens (if this is what eventually happens), "we" might not even have stars to look at. The expansion of the universe is quite possibly accellerating. At some point it will be impossible for starlight from the nearest star to reach "us".

First comes darkness. Then comes the cold of energy death.

The future's not so bright..

Morale of this: Party while we can! :)

From what I understand, this isn't quite correct. The rest of the universe will essentially disappear from us as you state with the exception of the local group: the nearby galaxies that our galaxy is gravitationally bound with. And if I understand the expansion of the universe correctly, it will not effect gravitationally bound objects unless of course the expansion accelerates to the point to exceed that gravitational bond.
At that point, future cosmologist really won't have any data points to suggest an expanding universe even though the universe will be in rapid expansion.
I should note that I'm just a layman so read with a grain of salt.
 
Time dilates, so the actual point in time of the big bang never existed, and obviously there cannot have been any time before it.
 
From what I understand, this isn't quite correct. The rest of the universe will essentially disappear from us as you state with the exception of the local group: the nearby galaxies that our galaxy is gravitationally bound with. And if I understand the expansion of the universe correctly, it will not effect gravitationally bound objects unless of course the expansion accelerates to the point to exceed that gravitational bond.
At that point, future cosmologist really won't have any data points to suggest an expanding universe even though the universe will be in rapid expansion.
I should note that I'm just a layman so read with a grain of salt.
Actually, by the time of the Heat Death of the Universe, there will be no light, no galaxies/stars/dust etc. All mass will have decayed/turned to it's constituent energy and that energy, in the form of heat will be even throughout the universe - and the whole universe will be at a temperature a few billionths of a Kelvin over absolute zero.:)
 
From what I understand, this isn't quite correct. The rest of the universe will essentially disappear from us as you state with the exception of the local group: the nearby galaxies that our galaxy is gravitationally bound with. And if I understand the expansion of the universe correctly, it will not effect gravitationally bound objects unless of course the expansion accelerates to the point to exceed that gravitational bond.

Well, that's one possibility, however, I think people are confusing two (technically actually three) different ends of the universe here. Heat death, as initially asked about, does not involve any of the universe disappearing from view. If the expansion of the universe is constant or accelerates at a constant rate, or if the universe is open or flat, then you get what is properly called the "Big Freeze", which is only one out of several possible heat deaths. The expansion would never overcome gravity or cause the rest of the universe to disappear, things would simply become very cold and very boring.

Heat death can also refer to a few other possible scenarios, all of which involve the universe reaching a state of maximum entropy. In a flat universe with no acceleration, the universe tends to a finite size after an infinite time. This means that although it will never cool down as far as in a Big Freeze, everything will be in equilibrium with everything else and so there would be no work possible and nothing would ever happen. Another heat death is also possible in a Big Crunch, where the universe stops expanding and contracts down to a point. Depending on the exact way this happens, the universe could reach a thermal equilibrium before the final collapse and undergo a very hot heat death.

The only scenario that involves bits of the universe disappearing from view is the Big Rip. This occurs if not only the expansion of the universe accelerates, but if the rate of acceleration is also increasing. However, in this case gravitationaly bound objects will definitiely be ripped apart as well, it will just take a little longer. Eventually, everything would become seperated from everything else, since you would need to travel faster than light to get anywhere. However, things wouldn't disappear entirely. What happens at an event horizon is that time appears to stop to an external observer and redshift becomes infinite. This means that instead of things just disappearing over the cosmological horizon, they would appear to slow down as they approached it, and get redder and fainter. Eventually you just get a smeared out faint blur. Opinion is still divided on whether there is any information contained in the radiation from an event horizon, but I believe the general concensus is currently that there is.

Actually, by the time of the Heat Death of the Universe, there will be no light, no galaxies/stars/dust etc. All mass will have decayed/turned to it's constituent energy and that energy, in the form of heat will be even throughout the universe - and the whole universe will be at a temperature a few billionths of a Kelvin over absolute zero.:)

Sort of. In addition to the above, the part about all mass decaying probably isn't correct. Leptons like electrons and neutrinos don't decay, so there will always be plenty of them around. When people say that matter will all decay, what they mean is that protons will. However, this is far from certain. Some theories suggest that protons decay, but have an insanely long half-life, however, there is currently no evidence that they actually do. Experiments which have tried to observe proton decay have determined that the half-life msut be at least 1035 years, and I think theory suggests it could be 1036 or even longer.

Proton decay is actually very interesting, since it cannot occur in the standard model and is therefore one of the few ways of testing theories which try to replace it. Although given the long half-life it's not a very easy test.
 
In answer to the thread title, the answer is simple:

"We don't know."

Too bad that there are too many people who are uncomfortable with that response. It often leads to them making stuff up as if it were true and factual - like "Plasma Cosmology" :rolleyes:

What do you mean MADE UP??

You have been shown the facts over and OVER and over and OVER, had all of your illogical arguments refuted, yet you still spout the EXACT SAME TRASH.

Oh wait... you were on the other side.. never mind. :book:
 
Time dilates, so the actual point in time of the big bang never existed, and obviously there cannot have been any time before it.


I have speculated that might be the case and it would produce an infinite regress
 
In answer to the thread title, the answer is simple:

"We don't know."

Too bad that there are too many people who are uncomfortable with that response. It often leads to them making stuff up as if it were true and factual - like "Plasma Cosmology" :rolleyes:


Or String Theory. :p
 
This kind of 'why are we here' thinking will never really be answered. Even if you get religious, that still begs the question of where whichever creator came from.

I don't mean to play the devil's advocate here, but if time is a dimension of our universe and life, then shouldn't the creator therefore be outside of time and not have a beginning, or creator? Eternal, I mean?
 
Time dilates, so the actual point in time of the big bang never existed, and obviously there cannot have been any time before it.

I recall reading once that this universe was an expansion (big bang) from a point of singularity. If that is so and this universe could go into another big crunch and into another singularity, couldn't this very universe be an expansion of a singularity of a previously destroyed universe? If this is so, did time exist for the previous universe?
 
In answer to the thread title, the answer is simple:

"We don't know."

Too bad that there are too many people who are uncomfortable with that response.

No kidding. I cant count the number of times I've had to answer "What came before the big bang", by going into a detailed explanation of how, at a "given point" in the past, time and space had no degree of separation. And the distance between any two points in space was effectively zero, and in fact the terms "time" and "space" become totally irrelevant. Therefore the term "What happened before" is itself irrelevant. (Forgive me for over simplifying in the interest brevity here).

Instantly, the one thing they seize upon from all that is, "Ha ha! Science doesn't know! So it was God and his armies of Pixies and Unicorns that kicked it all off! I knew it!"

People perceive what they believe to be a knowledge gap, and begin trying to fill it in with magic, totally oblivious to the fact that it's a magical fairy unicorn gap as well.

Lately when the question about what got the whole thing started comes up, I've taken to replying with "Considering that the Universe is here, I'd say it must not have had any other option".

It's a time saver, and it makes me sound "deep".
 
I don't mean to play the devil's advocate here, but if time is a dimension of our universe and life, then shouldn't the creator therefore be outside of time and not have a beginning, or creator? Eternal, I mean?

At the point of singularity the definition of time, space, and pretty much everything else breaks down. We are trying to view that point from a perspective inside a frame work which is utterly removed from the universe in that early state. At the point of being a singularity, the universe itself is "outside of time", and without need of a "beginning, or creator". The slate was beyond clean, with beyond infinite potential.

So why not apply parsimony and eliminate the factor of a creator which also exists in that state, rather than randomly tossing in an extraneous detail in the form of a "watchmaker"?

Um...Maybe I'm tired, because all that made more sense in my head.
 

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