When will truthers actually do something?

[Harpo]

Truthers: when will you actually gather all your evidence, get up and actually DO something about it, instead of wasting time on Internet forums?

You could win a Nobel prize or something.

If you think it's futile, why even bother talking about it?

I think the truth movement is waiting until sometime AFTER the heat death of the universe* to "actually do something". So we have couple of years left to wait.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe#Time_frame_for_heat_death

 

[Scott Sommers]

Seriously - for once - you guys have this all wrong. If you think a bunch of 9/11 Truthers are going to launch a civil suit against Dick Cheney or something like that, well of course it's not going to happen. But that doesn't mean they're doing nothing. You might not think it's much, but these guys are really active.

You look over on this link and you'll see the sort of thing that's going on. You'll see self-proclaimed Marxists teaming up with ultra-right wing extremists and Muslim security elites. This may just look like a bunch of messed up kids and stupid people teaming up because no one else wants them - and it is - but don't think they're doing nothing.

The most moronic Truthers are teaming up with dangerous people. What's this Blakeney character going to be doing in 10 years? In 20? He's going to be broke, no job prospects at all, and no one will be listening to anything he says except nut cases. What kind of recipe does this sound like? So don't think that nothing's going on with these guys just because Gage really has no intention of putting his money machine at risk.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I think the truth movement is waiting until sometime AFTER the heat death of the universe* to "actually do something". So we have couple of years left to wait.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe#Time_frame_for_heat_death

According to the multiverse theory, it is a mathematical certainty that somewhere, there is a universe exactly like ours, except that 9/11 really WAS an inside job. There, the truthers claim that it perpetrated by al Qaeda.

And they still don't do anything about it.

 

[Zowert]

Really?! All you need to do is show people footage of WTC 7 collapsing and they'll know it's a controlled demolition? How else are buildings supposed to fall? Are they supposed to tip over like a stack of Jenga blocks?

I've had people tell me that I look like Russell Crowe. I guess I must be Russell Crowe if we use Truther logic.

 

[Scott Sommers]

Really?! All you need to do is show people footage of WTC 7 collapsing and they'll know it's a controlled demolition? How else are buildings supposed to fall? Are they supposed to tip over like a stack of Jenga blocks?

I've had people tell me that I look like Russell Crowe. I guess I must be Russell Crowe if we use Truther logic.

Actually, a stack of Jenga blocks won't tip over. It's very hard to make large constructed objects tip over. Anyone who thinks this could happen to a building has no common sense at all.

 

[Scott Sommers]

And here's the Junga Tower in super slo-mo

Notice the nanithermite detonations all over the place...seriously, notice that some of the blocks end up really far away from the tower. If you watch the slow mo, you can some of the blocks flipping out beyond the mass of blocks.

Truthers are such morons. Put them all in box and throw it in the ocean.

 

[p0litik]

Tell me the story of the third alternative then..

I was really just generalizing. I simply can't follow the logic where you go from finding (possibly) errors in the official story to concluding that the whole thing was orchestrated by the government. Apollo deniers do the same thing. A piece of dust on the negative that looks like the letter C all of a sudden means that they faked all the missions.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. For example, I'd be curious how demolition explosives survived the raging fire in WTC7 for so long before they pulled the trigger. And assuming you did ask yourself that question, did you just make up an answer? or look for some clues for the answer? Are all the firemen who stated that they were worried the building would collapse, long before it did, are lying? Still even today? No anonymous confessions?

Hard sell for me...

 

[timhau]

So... her theory is that the towers were brought down by a gigantic 10-year-old?

Hehehe. Her grandfather came and told her to "pull them"

The sad part is, that's nowhere near as stupid as some Twoofer theories.

 

[dafydd]

Truthers actually doing something? It's a novel concept but it will never happen.

 

[NoahFence]

And here's the Junga Tower in super slo-mo

Notice the nanithermite detonations all over the place...seriously, notice that some of the blocks end up really far away from the tower. If you watch the slow mo, you can some of the blocks flipping out beyond the mass of blocks.

Truthers are such morons. Put them all in box and throw it in the ocean.

Too funny - that looks alot like WTC 7 where one side collapsed, causing the other side to follow suit....

 

[Scott Sommers]

Too funny - that looks alot like WTC 7 where one side collapsed, causing the other side to follow suit....

There are many videos of large Junga Block structures being knocked down. Some of them have been posted here already. None of them tip over. It's very hard to make anything tip over. A tree will tip over if you cut it down. And that giant among the geniuses, Judy Wood, has compared the WTC Buildings to a tree. I missed Megatron cutting them down with a giant chain saw.

You wonder why Truthers can't do anything? What could they do? I'm waiting for that day when Gage is in court testifying that WTC 1 should have tipped over like...like a big cardboard box that's been pushed over.

 

[sylvan8798]

The Truth will continue to spread whatever you do

All I can think of is that old 1950's Steve McQueen movie The Blob. Beware "The Truth" an amorphous blob.

From IMDb: A mysterious creature from another planet, resembling a giant blob of jelly, lands on earth. The people of a nearby small town refuse to listen to some teenagers who have witnessed the blob's destructive power. In the meantime, the blob just keeps on getting bigger.
Release Date: 12 September 1958

 

[Fonebone]

Actually, a stack of Jenga blocks won't tip over.
It's very hard to make large constructed objects tip over.
Anyone who thinks this could happen to a building has no common sense at all.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Jenga.gif

Common sense is neither a sense nor common __Ben Franklin

 

[TJM]

Actually, a stack of Jenga blocks won't tip over. It's very hard to make large constructed objects tip over. Anyone who thinks this could happen to a building has no common sense at all.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Jenga.gif

Common sense is neither a sense nor common __Ben Franklin

There ya go.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Yesterday my daughter conducted her own "scientific" experiment a la Richard Gage. The results were very interesting. I might post the video eventually, but for now here's a photo preview:


[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/489344e88d7b92d6b2.jpg[/qimg]

Hehehe. Her grandfather came and told her to "pull them"

Debunking. Fun for the whole family!

 

[Fonebone]

Actually, a stack of Jenga blocks won't tip over.
It's very hard to make large constructed objects tip over.
Anyone who thinks this could happen to a building has no common sense at all.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Jenga.gif

Common sense is neither a sense nor common __Ben Franklin

There ya go.

There ya go !
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Jenga.gif

 

[Sabretooth]

There ya go !
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Jenga.gif

Jenga block towers do not fit under the description of "LARGE"
Your Honor...peoples exhibit number 4,654,333 as to why Truthers have no *********** idea what they are talking about...

 

[beachnut]

There ya go !
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Jenga.gif

The WTC collapsed from the top section, not the lower section. Bad model. But if you did the model, you did something, you answered the OP, you did it now; or did you copy the animated gif, did you plagiarize your work? Is it your work, or what? Did you source the work?

911 truth is known for presenting failed work. A bottom up failure, not the top down failure. You tried, you failed. What will you do for the next 3676 days?

Common sense is neither a sense nor common __Ben Franklin Poor Ben, used to support delusional claims.

 

[timhau]

The WTC collapsed from the top section, not the lower section.

And it didn't collapse because someone pulled (<- magic word!) out a section of it.

 

[Scott Sommers]

There are actually many videos of large Jenga structures falling down. This compilation is good.

Here's an interesting simulation

this one has been posted before


It's really hard to make these structures fall sideways. They have to really short and even then, they have to constructed in a way that make they rigid.

The interesting thing to me is the way the blocks seem to fall in a distribution. I wouldn't know how to calculate it, but it appears this is like a 3-D normal distribution. With enough blocks, you'd expect that some of them would fall very far away from the tower, even though the tower could be said to be collapsing "in its own footprint."

And then there's this,

even this Lego toward falls "into its own footprint."

and this

this

this

and this