When morons breed...

[Lonewulf]

Yes, people should have the freedom to raise their own children as they see fit.

I don't find that an especially "liberal" view. It is practized in most countries, as far as I know.

So you see no problem with sexual abuse, parental abuse, mental abuse, starving your children, feeding your children poison...

I could go down the list. You really think that parents can treat their children however they want? No exceptions?

Well, now I know: You have no right to call anything in our legal system disgusting. Your legal (and moral) views are more disgusting than I could have ever dreamed.

 

[DanishDynamite]

Well, you certainly insult anyone with a different view than you do. That's elitist.

No, that's debate in the PCE forum.

But you wouldn't comprehend that.

I understand perfectly.

But yes, you're better than all lawyers. And they're all one mass, without individual opinions or IQs. I'm glad to see how you "think" on this issue...

Fool.

I'm glad to see how you think as well. Fool. Very deep analysis.

Oh, I shouldn't have to give any, you have plenty to spare!

An entire thread of meaningless responses from our favorite Dane.

I'm just glad you aren't able to vote in American politics. We have enough people messing up our country.

When you have something of relevance to depart, I look forward to responding to it.

 

[Lonewulf]

No, that's debate in the PCE forum.

Ah, right.

"I'm supposed to act like an *******!"

Riiiight.

Well, you certainly are an *******. So you act the part just nicely.

I'm glad to see how you think as well. Fool. Very deep analysis.

Thanks.

I call a rock a rock, a stream a stream, and a fool a fool. It's how I am.

When you have something of relevance to depart, I look forward to responding to it.

Something of relevance?

How about stating the fact that letting parents abuse or kill their children is disgusting? That's very relevant.

 

[DanishDynamite]

So you see no problem with sexual abuse, parental abuse, mental abuse, starving your children, feeding your children poison...

I'm against that, obviously.

I could go down the list. You really think that parents can treat their children however they want? No exceptions?

No.

Well, now I know: You have no right to call anything in our legal system disgusting. Your legal (and moral) views are more disgusting than I could have ever dreamed.

Whatever.

 

[Architect]

No idea what you just said there, my dear lawyer

I think it's fairly clear that you have very little understanding of the case or indeed the legal issues around responsibility. But strangely that doesn't seem to inhibit your desire to be heard on the issue.

That the accused acted recklessly or negligently cannot be in any reasonable doubt. Their only real defence would have been to prove that, at the time of committing the act, they were labouring under such a defect of reason, whether though learning difficulty or otherwise, as not to know the nature and quality of the act which they were doing; or if they did know it, that they did not know that was he was doing was wrong.

Not only did they fail to do so, there was clearly compelling evidence presented to the jury that they had, indeed, acted with malice and were convincted of murder accordingly.

The interesting thing is that anyone with a grasp of basic legal issues should be aware of it. Which does suggest that you're not.

 

[andyandy]

Yes, people should have the freedom to raise their own children as they see fit.

I don't find that an especially "liberal" view. It is practized in most countries, as far as I know.

it certainly is a radical view - ie. that a parent can sexually, physically or emotionally abuse a child, or be judged incapable of being a parent, and yet the state has no jurisdiction over that parent, or duty of care to the child.

Give an example of which countries you think such libertarian practises are accepted.

 

[DanishDynamite]

Ah, right.

"I'm supposed to act like an *******!"

Riiiight.

Well, you certainly are an *******. So you act the part just nicely.



Thanks.

I call a rock a rock, a stream a stream, and a fool a fool. It's how I am.



Something of relevance?

How about stating the fact that letting parents abuse or kill their children is disgusting? That's very relevant.

Looking forward to when you are sober, my friend.

 

[Architect]

I hesitate to commend Wiki normally, however a read of this would do you no harm Danish. Be careful though, as it has legal terms and everything!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence

 

[DanishDynamite]

I think it's fairly clear that you have very little understanding of the case or indeed the legal issues around responsibility. But strangely that doesn't seem to inhibit your desire to be heard on the issue.

I have that honor, yes.

That the accused acted recklessly or negligently cannot be in any reasonable doubt. Their only real defence would have been to prove that, at the time of committing the act, they were labouring under such a defect of reason, whether though learning difficulty or otherwise, as not to know the nature and quality of the act which they were doing; or if they did know it, that they did not know that was he was doing was wrong.

Not only did they fail to do so, there was clearly compelling evidence presented to the jury that they had, indeed, acted with malice and were convincted of murder accordingly.

If they acted with malice, i.e. if they intended their child to die, they should of course bear the full penalty of law. From the OP and subsequent stories it was not clear that they intentionally wanted to kill their child.

The interesting thing is that anyone with a grasp of basic legal issues should be aware of it. Which does suggest that you're not.

Would you have evidence that they intended to kill their own child?

 

[Lonewulf]

Looking forward to when you are sober, my friend.

1) I am sober, fool.

2) I'm not your friend, nor would ever be.

First you say that you think parents should be able to do anything they want to their kids. Then you go back and change your position to add in exceptions to not look so bad. Even while you ignored special mention of those exceptions to someone that brought it up to you, and continued y our mantra of "parents should be able to do anything they want!"

Get your arguments straight, please. Either parents should let their kids starve, or they shouldn't. It's an easy decision.

I'll be back when you've figured it out.

 

[DanishDynamite]

it certainly is a radical view - ie. that a parent can sexually, physically or emotionally abuse a child, or be judged incapable of being a parent, and yet the state has no jurisdiction over that parent, or duty of care to the child.

Give an example of which countries you think such libertarian practises are accepted.

Kindly provide evidence that the parents of this child intended to kill it.

 

[Architect]

Danish, malice is not required in the various UK, American, or to the best of my knowledge Danish legal systems. Reckless conduct is sufficient. If you don't like it, then work hard at school and become a lawyer.

 

[DanishDynamite]

I hesitate to commend Wiki normally, however a read of this would do you no harm Danish. Be careful though, as it has legal terms and everything!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence

How utterly uninteresting, lawyer.

Kindly provide evidence regarding the case under consideration.

 

[Architect]

Your deductive skills are pretty consistent too, you know.

 

[andyandy]

Kindly provide evidence that the parents of this child intended to kill it.

How is that relevant to your assertion that

people should have the freedom to raise their own children as they see fit. It is practized in most countries, as far as I know.

"It is practised in most countries, as far as you know." Ok name one. Which country do you know in which a child could be being sexually abused by their parents, and the state whilst aware of this fact, has no jurisdiction over the parent, nor any duty of care over the child?

changing the subject just makes you look foolish.

 

[DanishDynamite]

Danish, malice is not required in the various UK, American, or Danish legal systems. Reckless conduct is sufficient. If you don't like it, then work hard at school and become a lawyer.

In which case I disagree with the law.

Completely and totally.

Any law which sends a couple to jail for life because they were ignorant of how to raise a child, is itself a crime against humanity!

I cannot believe how anyone could think different!

 

[DanishDynamite]

I simply cannot accept this verdict as Justice! I cannot believe that other skeptics here can accept it as Justice!

It is totally unreasonable!!

 

[Architect]

In whitch case I disagree with the law.

Completely and totally.

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I cannot believe how anyone could think different!

So you and the US anti-tax nutters can cosy up together. Because what you think doesn't actually matter; if its you or the entire western legal system, I think I know who's going to carry the most weight.

But why don't you do something about it? When you finish school, study law. Get qualified. Fight the cases. Change the system!

 

[andyandy]

I simply cannot accept this verdict as Justice! I cannot believe that other skeptics here can accept it as Justice!

It is totally unreasonable!!

what were you saying about other people not drinking?

 

[DanishDynamite]

So you and the US anti-tax nutters can cosy up together. Because what you think doesn't actually matter; if its you or the entire western legal system, I think I know who's going to carry the most weight.

Up Yours, Architect.