• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

What's wrong with Derrick Bell?

Brainster said:
Hence, as noted in the NPR analysis, many of the race hustlers embraced Hillary rather than Obama, because they knew his election would be a powerful rebuttal to the claims that racism remains pervasive in America.
Click to expand...
Wait, what?

NPR said:
NPR Senior News Analyst Daniel Schorr observes the ascendance of Barack Obama as a presidential candidate and wonders whether the U.S. is entering a new, "post-racial" political era.
Click to expand...

The New York Time; Guy-Uriel Charles said:
The challenge for those who care about the growing and persistent racial inequality..
Click to expand...

First off you are begging the question with the "race hustlers" rhetoric. That is not established in either article. Also, neither of these establish that America has moved into some golden age of race relations OR anything akin to it. The point is that we may have turned a corner.
 
Virus said:
Derrick Bell:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2175
Click to expand...

You know what really amazes me about this? It's that some white people really love to complain about how they're oppressed by black people, despite the simple fact that all evidence shows the exact opposite to be the case. The link you provided is a prime example of this. It offers a lot of sniveling about the idea that white people in the US are generally oppressors, but it doesn't offer anything in the way of counter-evidence to the rather obvious claim.

I'm just not impressed with this sort of privileged whining from white people in the US. Bell's assertions in the linked post were mostly accurate.
 
Last edited:
Mumbles said:
You know what really amazes me about this? It's that some white people really love to complain about how they're oppressed by black people, despite the simple fact that all evidence shows the exact opposite to be the case. The link you provided is a prime example of this. It offers a lot of sniveling about the idea that white people in the US are generally oppressors, but it doesn't offer anything in the way of counter-evidence to the rather obvious claim.

I'm just not impressed with this sort of privileged whining from white people in the US. Bell's assertions in the linked post were mostly accurate.
Click to expand...

Really? The evidence shows the exact opposite? Whitely is still holding the black man down? We let the Asians up... just not the blacks.
 
The left need racism. If it's not there, they need to create it.
 
Let's put it this way. Three guys are ganging up on one guy. For a long time they have him on the ground while they administer punches and kicks. Then, at some point, they stop because one thinks it's wrong and the others are shamed by witnesses. Then the victim lays there with broken ribs, pierced kidneys and more bruises than you'd want to count and some jerkass walks over and says, "you're no longer being oppressed why aren't you getting up?"

The effects of racism are still all around us.
 
Virus said:
The left need racism. If it's not there, they need to create it.
Click to expand...
No but the right needs everyone to think they do. Please to tell me where Obama has used race baiting? Now, consider what Palin said on FOX News.

"Obama wants to take America back to the time before the Civil War". Really Sarah? Really?



What policy of Obama's justifies Sarah's claim?

And Glen Beck?



"Obama... has a deep seated hatred for white people".
 
Last edited:
Virus said:
The left need racism. If it's not there, they need to create it.
Click to expand...
Why would we need to? There will still be enough ghastly low-class dirtbags like userers, kiddy fiddlers, wife-beaters and warmongers to pick on once the last racist dies.
 
Caper said:
Really? The evidence shows the exact opposite? Whitely is still holding the black man down? We let the Asians up... just not the blacks.
Click to expand...

Well, the FBI caught Whitey last year, so I doubt that he's at the heart of anything. But the evidence that white people are favored over black people in hiring, loans, medicine, and law enforcement are pretty well proven at this point. And it's not really a surprise that scum like the Breitlings or Sarah Palin are trying to paint Obama as some sort of radical black militant, even though he clearly isn't - never mind that blatant racism that's taken over right wing radio, and that's burst out over and over in the GOP campaign.

I suppose one could try to attack the idea that racism is built into US society on it's merits, but I'm not seeing anyone do it, and I really can't find any evidence to refute it.
 
Caper said:
Really? The evidence shows the exact opposite? Whitely is still holding the black man down? We let the Asians up... just not the blacks.
Click to expand...
You seriously think anyone is going to fall for your fabrication?

Yeah, the evidence shows that the white man has not been the victim of black oppression in America over the last 400 years. Deal with it.
 
Bell wasn't just saying that there's racism. He said white supremacism is deliberatly built into the system.
 
Virus said:
Bell wasn't just saying that there's racism. He said white supremacism is deliberatly built into the system.
Click to expand...
OH - My - God! .... And?

Now, let's see. At the signing of the Constitution blacks were property. Since then there has been intentional disenfranchisement, segregation, disproportionate numbers of blacks in prisons, going to war, etc., etc. Gotta say, I kinda see his point. Now, are there any laws or regulations that would currently support his contention? Could be. I don't know. It seems a fair point for discussion and debate. Or is that out of the question in America? Unpopular points of view cannot be tolerated? It's a threat to Democracy?

What exactly is your problem with his contention other than you disagree?
 
I'm still waiting for the smoking gun...

Some professor had some unpopular opinions about race in America. I can't speak for others but I'd like to take this moment to thank everyone who brought that to our attention. How utterly un-American of the guy. Perhaps we should hold hearings. Where is Joseph McCarthy when you need him.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, what's wrong with Derrick Bell that we should give a damn that Obama hugged him? I still haven't heard that part.
 
Last edited:
RandFan said:
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, what's wrong with Derrick Bell that we should give a damn that Obama hugged him? I still haven't heard that part.
Click to expand...
I'm even going to dispute that. Looks to me as if Bell initiated the hug and Obama went along for the ride. Courtesy to the elder, so to speak.
 
SezMe said:
I'm even going to dispute that. Looks to me as if Bell initiated the hug and Obama went along for the ride. Courtesy to the elder, so to speak.
Click to expand...
Fair point.

BTW: Has someone brought up the Association fallacy?

Bell believes X
Obama introduced Bell.
Therefore... ?

You know, I'm still not even certain what the claim is. Has anyone even desalinated a claim?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom