What's wrong with Derrick Bell?

[crimresearch]

No, that would be criticism of a bad policy for hurting their ability to find jobs, not claims that black people are preventing them from working.

Ah, then by black people are stealing their jobs. you were only referring to jobs that were hot wired, driven to different cities, and cut up for parts by black people?

 

[Ausmerican]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rev...-prof-obama-raves-about-in-new-harvard-video/

Is there anybody here even slightly shocked by Bell?

By Bell? No.
By the frothing at the mouth racists that Becks website attracts? Still no sadly. Like this prime example:

Originally posted by woodrowsux
Posted on March 7, 2012 at 11:36pm
@ MWHALEY- Excellent point!! I agree 100%. At this point Iwould pay 60% income tax for 10 years as an “investment” in the future prosperity of this nation by ‘repatriation’ of African Americans with their true home- Africa and we the taxpayer footing the bill. The power of suggestion is alive and well and it seems Professor Bell proposed a wonderful solution for the United States and we need not wait for aliens to do our work! Of course the 5% of Black Americans ( ttrue patriots) such as Herman Cain and Allen West are always welcome with open arms to remain , strive and thrive here. The rest of the 95% that vote Obama would and should be compelled to return with compensation to the African continent where they belong. By the way the 78% of my fellow jews who insist on a marxist secular – reject the Torah – philosophy are cordially welcome to join the Afros or go to communist China , North Korea or ‘Mother Russia’. You are not welcome to eretz Yisroel( Israel) only to ruin their society as well.

It nevcer ceases to amaze me that there are still people in the 21st century that think of Africa as the "true home" of African Americans. When it is quite possible, if not probable that they may have been here for more generations than this knuckle draggers family. But hey, they arent the same color so they dont really belong. Except for the few that think the "right" way.

 

[angrysoba]

"If the comment is true"?

Yes. If the comment is true. Which means that he explicitly said those words rather than being paraphrased by the New York Times itself.

Who said racism doesn't exist? I feel no need to comment on your strawman.

Saying you saw Bigfoot means you would be delusional, or lying. You explicitly said that saying you see racism is akin to seeing Bigfoot.

Do you think black people in the US were more subjugated in 1992 than at any time since 1865?

No. I think the coment is most probably false but you have made plenty of idiotic comments on this very thread to more than match Derrick Bell, such as:

I really don't care, this is par for the course for those making a living off of finding racism. Note this is my first comment on Bell, and it's been 20 years after his idiotic statement and several months after his death.


Yes, I'm so thin-skinned I witheld comment for 20 years.

You didn't withhold comment if you never knew of the quote's existence.

A professional racism activist will find racism everywhere, whether it actually exists or not. Just like Bigfoot believers find signs of Bigfoot wherever they look.

"Whether it exists or not." Do you think the existence of Bigfoot is an open question? No. You and I would laugh at someone who sincerely believed in Bigfoot.

But who am I to judge? I only live in the USA, I guess I don't have the clear view of it you have in Japan

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This is the most idiotic one so far. And then you merged them both:

Did you miss the part where he claims "black subjugation" was worse in 1992 than any time since slavery? Maybe living in Japan you have no idea what life is ike in the USA, but 1992 was far better for blacks than 1960 was, or 1950, and certainly 1865.

People like Bell need to find racism, whether it exists or not.

By your crtieria, you couldn't possibly know what life was like in 1865 because you were never alive then. It's doubtful you know what it is like to be black as well and it is doubtful that you remember the Civil Rights era when all those moaners descended on Washington D.C to complain about such fripperies as not being able to vote, segregated schools, segregated army units, segregated buses, lunch counters etc...

If you allow yourself the luxury of being able to compare two different eras then I can comment on it too. No, I don't think life was worse for blacks in 1992 than in 1865 but it is more idiotic to say its existence is a fable.

 

[angrysoba]

Yeah, and? Seriously who cares? Even IF these facts were shocking (shocking I tells ya) it would be guilt by association. Now, to be fair the thread title asks a question and you are trying to answer it. And perhaps these things could be argued to be what is wrong the man. I get that. But here is the thing, I think the question implies an unspoken condition, what is wrong with Derrick Bell that would make it shocking for Obama to have admired the man, right?

The question does imply that, yes, or rather my original post does. Interestingly, the quotes that are being brought up now are from 1992 which is after the video of Barack Obama meeting Bell and campaigning for a tenured position for Bell. I don't expect Breitbart, Hannity and O'Reilly to care about such trivial points of chronology but I also don't want to make too big a deal over it because I don't consider these comments to be as outrageous or offensive as others are making them out to be.

 

[respect]

Ah, then by black people are stealing their jobs. you were only referring to jobs that were hot wired, driven to different cities, and cut up for parts by black people?

It is hard to believe that you really cannot differentiate between a political ad criticizing a policy favored by the opponent and black people.

 

[daredelvis]

Really? Getting your quotes from a Breitbart website?
Do people never learn that Breitbart and context dont mix. He followed that line (and it is true, love him or hate him Farrakhan was and is regarded as a hero by many black people, therefore it is a simple statement of fact) by saying he didn't agree with a lot of what Farrakhan said or his tactics.

So Brainster, did you fall for more Breitbart "selective editing" or did you just not care if you were doing it too?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art..._Tries_to_Tie_Prof._Derrick_Bell_to_Farrakhan

So Brainster has once again copy and pasted an out of context quote that turned out to be lacking substance. He has to know that this is de rigueur for Breitbart. So I am left to wonder if this action is just intellectually lazy, or plain old dishonest.

Daredelvis

 

[fuelair]

It is hard to believe that you really cannot differentiate between a political ad criticizing a policy favored by the opponent and black people.

some people just keep making that same mistake......

 

[Mumbles]

That is probably complaining about preferential treatment based on race, not racism against black people.

And let's all just ignore the fact that unemployment among black people at the time was far higher than that among white people, even when accounting for location, experience, and education...

 

[respect]

And let's all just ignore the fact that unemployment among black people at the time was far higher than that among white people, even when accounting for location, experience, and education...

No one said anything about ignoring that, the only point made was that it didn't support leftysergeant's assertion.

 

[Brainster]

Does anyone accept Brietbart's premise that this says something about Obama?

Certainly it gives a troubling rebuttal to the claim that Obama was a post-racial black a la Tiger Woods.

That said, presidential reelections are seldom about character; they are a referendum on the past four years. It's like all the hullabaloo about Bush's National Guard service in 2004; Dan Rather pissed away his career for nothing, because it didn't matter. Obama is vulnerable, but not to stuff like this; it's all going to depend on the economy.

 

[Caper]

I don't care for aspersions against the US but I couldn't possibly be outraged. We (America) often behave in ugly racist ways. I don't agree with Bell but then I'm as white as they come. I like the market place of ideas. If a minority has a perspective that I don't agree with I'd rather he say it than focus on the offense or outrage about that perspective. So long as Bell didn't slander or libel individuals as Al Sharpton did or behaves as Jane Fonda did during Vietnam (see below) to propagate lies then I'm fine with him.

Now, if Bell acted in that manner then I'm happy to denounce him.

Sometimes people do things without fully thinking them through. I think she is very regretful so I kind of let it go. But it really hurts her cause when she tries to jump into new debates, it will be forever thrown into her face. Makes me wonder what will happen to Bernie Ward when he is out of prison and gets into one of those rumble tumble debates.... I bet Chris Baker would want another go at him.

 

[Unabogie]

It was Jesse Helms. Here's the ad.



Nope. Nothing racist about that at all.

 

[Caper]

Does anyone accept Brietbart's premise that this says something about Obama?

No it's absolutely ridiculous.

For the most part people are going to admire a lot of different people for one reason or another.... some of those will have some bat sh** crazy views.

I liked what Pat Robertson said about Marijuana legalization, If I cared about the issue enough to organize a march for it... I would love to see him there.

 

[angrysoba]

Certainly it gives a troubling rebuttal to the claim that Obama was a post-racial black a la Tiger Woods.

I don't see how it does. The quotes you object to about 1992 being worse for black people than any time since slavery and his statement that he thought Louis Farrakhan was a hero to the people, while qualifying it that he disagrees with a lot of things that Farrakhan says and does as well as the story "Space Traders" came from 1992. In other words, this happened after the video was filmed.

Unless we presume Obama has the gift of second-sight, how can he be blamed for not distancing himself from comments Bell hadn't even made yet?

Besides, who is making the claim that Barack Obama is a "post-racial black"? And what exactly is a "post-racial black"? And one more thing, what is wrong with Louis Farrakhan?

 

[Caper]

It was Jesse Helms. Here's the ad.



Nope. Nothing racist about that at all.

There is nothing racist about that ad. Jesse Helms may be a racist. That Ad might promote a view shared by 100% of white racists. But it is not racist itself.

 

[Unabogie]

There is nothing racist about that ad. Jesse Helms may be a racist. That Ad might promote a view shared by 100% of white racists. But it is not racist itself.

Of course not. How anyone could see racism in an ad that shows white hands and tells the viewer that undeserving minorities are stealing your jobs is beyond me and...

Ok, I can't continue. Some people just can't see racism anywhere unless the speaker explicitly says "I hate black people". It's hopeless.

 

[angrysoba]

Of course not. How anyone could see racism in an ad that shows white hands and tells the viewer that undeserving minorities are stealing your jobs is beyond me and...

Ok, I can't continue. Some people just can't see racism anywhere unless the speaker explicitly says "I hate black people". It's hopeless.

You probably believe in Bigfoot too, right?

 

[Unabogie]

You probably believe in Bigfoot too, right?

Don't you? I believe in Bigfoot, UFOs, Fairies, Ghosts, Rods, Psychics, 9/11 Truth and...oh yeah, that there's a history of racism in the U.S.

All of these are equally valid.

 

[Mumbles]

Certainly it gives a troubling rebuttal to the claim that Obama was a post-racial black a la Tiger Woods.

what interests me the most in this quote is the implication that it's black people that need to become "post-racial", whatever that means.

 

[angrysoba]

what interests me the most in this quote is the implication that it's black people that need to become "post-racial", whatever that means.

Well, they're the ones who are always banging on about it. I mean, come on, forget about it, it's history, doesn't matter to anyone at all anymore, leave my uneasy conscience alone, will you?