Whats so special about Partial Birth Abortion?

I'm pro-abortion as well, I actively want religious people to get them instead of procreating.

The people who are getting them are the ones who believe in it, megabrain. It's "funny" that pro-abortionists are removing themselves from the gene pool. What if your mother was pro-abortion? Wait a minute ... when I go down that line of thinking, I might end up converting to pro-abortion .... :)
 
Patrick:

We pro-choice/pro-abortion people let each person decide based on whatever morals they may have. We are for each person choosing. I am not for foisting a decision on anyhone else.

You are for foisting your decision on other people. You insist that they conform to your morals.

Perhasp you should call yourself anti-choice?

Lurker
 
Patrick said:
The "pro-choice" word trick was invented for two reasons:

1. To short-circuit any real debate on abortion, and condition the way naive people think about the issue by putting the focus on only the woman. This technique has been spectacularly successful.

2. To avoid the use of the word "abortion" -- it's sickly funny the semantic gymnastics the pro-abortion people go through to avoid the word "abortion".
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Really? Well, I think a woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy OR to deliver the child and raise it OR to place it up for adoption. I further believe that the government, nor the religious right, should have any say in her decision. If she's a single mom and decides to keep the child, I would defend her right to do that. If she felt she could not adequately give a good life to that child, I would support her right to give the child up for adoption.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, I'm pro-abortion?
 
My mother is pro-abortion, fool. She just chose not to have one. Your mother should've had one, though.

Go praise jesus and kill a lamb or something.
 
Point 1 is speculative bullsh!t.

Point 1 will be obvious to any propagandist who ever lived.

Point 2 neatly omits the fact that the anti-abortion lobby refers to themselves as 'pro-life'. Hmm... Why don't they use the word 'abortion'?

What balderdash - prolife people are the ONLY people who use the word abortion - as for example opposing "partial-birth abortion" - their phrase. If you don't recognize the phrase, it's what the liberal media call "a certain kind of medical procedure" in their news stories about the ummentionable word. Likewise, the media's "women's clinic" for abortion mill, "reproductive freedom" for legalized abortion - on and on. Give it up. :D
 
My mother is pro-abortion, fool. She just chose not to have one. Your mother should've had one, though.

Ha ha, TB! Such comic relief! Now, why don't you go play with razor blades or something while the adults have a discussion? :)
 
Patrick said:
The "pro-choice" word trick was invented for two reasons:

1. To short-circuit any real debate on abortion, and condition the way naive people think about the issue by putting the focus on only the woman. This technique has been spectacularly successful.

2. To avoid the use of the word "abortion" -- it's sickly funny the semantic gymnastics the pro-abortion people go through to avoid the word "abortion".
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Patrick, who's said in another thread that he doesn't vote, starts to make it all up, yet again.

It's what he does, folks, he makes things up, and shouts them as far, wide, and loud as he can. He just MAKES THINGS UP.

Look, folks, "pro-abortion" means you encourage people to get abortions. "Pro-choice" means you think a person who wants one should be allowed to have one, perhaps under limited circumstances.

Partial-birth abortion is exceedingly, extraordinarly rare, and in cases where it's not medically indicated, seems rather repugnant to me, because mom has already done almost all of the hard work.

Me? I'm pro-choice. I think people should have the choice, but I think it's a lot more important that they have the choice not to get pregnant in the first place, via far, wide, and simple availability of birth-control options, unlike the present administration that thinks it's better to trap people into pregnancy and then attempt to prevent them from having an early abortion, too.

If the government is going to spend any money at all on "sex education" its first job is to explain how someone gets pregnant, how to prevent it, and how to prevent the spread of STD's. Preaching a religious doctrine of "abstinence only" simply doesn't recognize how the human race behaves, and is very destructive for that reason alone.
 
What balderdash - prolife people are the ONLY people who use the word abortion
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This very thread is evidence against your absurd claim. Most posters in the thread support a woman's right to choose abortion, and we even use the word ABORTION.

Partial-birth abortion is not a medical term, that's why pro-abortionists tend to use the correct medical term "dilation and extraction" when referring to it. Dilation and extraction is a form of abortion, and pro-choice people will tell you that.
 
Patrick said:
My mother is pro-abortion, fool. She just chose not to have one. Your mother should've had one, though.

Ha ha, TB! Such comic relief! Now, why don't you go play with razor blades or something while the adults have a discussion? :)
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And, now, Patrick, secure in the knowledge that his bully won the election, starts to actually tell people to go harm themselves.

What's next Patrick? You've told people who don't agree with you to leave the country, now you've told them to go hurt themselves, so what's next, I wonder? Gonna put on your brown shirt and march?
 
Patrick said:

Ha ha, TB! Such comic relief! Now, why don't you go play with razor blades or something while the adults have a discussion?
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You call yourself an adult? You are the child who came into the thread opening with an insult. Really, WWJD in your case? Oh, I guess it doesn't matter, you jesus freaks don't really care about anyone who disagrees with your religion or religious views. You are a hypocrite.
 
jj said:

Me? I'm pro-choice. I think people should have the choice, but I think it's a lot more important that they have the choice not to get pregnant in the first place, via far, wide, and simple availability of birth-control options, unlike the present administration that thinks it's better to trap people into pregnancy and then attempt to prevent them from having an early abortion, too.

If the government is going to spend any money at all on "sex education" its first job is to explain how someone gets pregnant, how to prevent it, and how to prevent the spread of STD's. Preaching a religious doctrine of "abstinence only" simply doesn't recognize how the human race behaves, and is very destructive for that reason alone.
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I totally agree, jj. I would only add that even today's methods of birth control are still faulty. Case in point, the pill is 98% effective (yes, I know this allows a margin of error for misuse) but, of greater concern is that a woman cannot remain on the pill for more than 10 years without serious health risks. Assuming she got on the pill at 17 or 18, what happens after she's 28? Tubal ligation is certainly an option, but I can tell you from personal experience that many doctors will not perform the procedure on a married woman or a woman who is under 35. The condom is often thrown up as the 100% effective and safe method but its weakness lies in that it is dependent on the man's compliance, not the woman's.

Even more frustrating is the great pharmaceutical breakthroughs of recent years: Rogaine, Viagara and a testosterone patch to help increase a woman's sex drive. Am I the only one who sees a humorously pathetic trend here? Increase both partners sex drives yet do nothing to improve birth control and then rant about all the unwanted pregnancies.. :(
 
Ladyhawk said:
The condom is often thrown up as the 100% effective and safe method but its weakness lies in that it is dependent on the man's compliance, not the woman's.
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The man is equally responsible, and deserves to be stuck with half the cost of the abortion, or child support, depending on how the woman decides. If he wanted a say in the matter, too bad--he had his say when he went lovin' without glovin'.

Anyway, who in this day and age has sex without condoms anyway? Unless you're both committedly monogamous, anyone having sex without condoms should consider themselves lucky to only wind up with triplets with expensive medical disorders as a result.
 
Could we spin away from the semantics fight.

Id like to ask a prolife/antibortion person what makes partial birth any diffrent from the other abortion procedures. To complain about partial birth specifically, arent you impying that say sucking the fetus out with a vacume is acceptable since its a different proceadure.
 
Oh, I thought Patrick was just a pro-Bush wack-job. Didn't realize he was an anti-abortion wack-job as well.

explains a lot.
 
Tmy said:
Could we spin away from the semantics fight.

Id like to ask a prolife/antibortion person what makes partial birth any diffrent from the other abortion procedures. To complain about partial birth specifically, arent you impying that say sucking the fetus out with a vacume is acceptable since its a different proceadure.
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The question is WHEN the abortion happens, more than how, at least for me.
 
It seems to me that the spin the Pro-Life group wants to put on Partial-Birth abortion is that it's killing what is essentially a viable child on the whim of the mother.

In fact, (at least according to my bit of research) this is never the case, and the pathological conditions I mentioned above are indications for the procedure. There is a neuropathology mentioned as well, where the nervous system does not develop normally. In this case, the child only lives a few hours after birth.

One has to weigh the trauma to the mother of delivering an essentially doomed or already-dead child, or, in the case of hydrocephaly, requiring a Ceasarian situation since the child's head may be too large to exit the birth canal.
 
Can anyone tell me where abstinence-only sex education is being taught outside of a private school? That is one myth I would like to see either debunked or proven.

I believe abstinence is part of an overall sex education program in schools which includes education on birth control.
 
Luke T. said:

I believe abstinence is part of an overall sex education program in schools which includes education on birth control.
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As it should be, IMO.
 
Luke T. said:
Can anyone tell me where abstinence-only sex education is being taught outside of a private school? That is one myth I would like to see either debunked or proven.

I believe abstinence is part of an overall sex education program in schools which includes education on birth control.
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Luke, look at the federal guidelines for foreign medical aid.

Just look.
 
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