Whats so special about Partial Birth Abortion?

[Tmy]

It seems to just be an emotional propaganda tool for the ant-abortion lobby. Much like the "rape-victim" line used by the pro abortion people.

Yeah its kinda gruesome, but its not like the other methods of abortion are fetus freindly.

The real issue is viabilty/when is the baby its own person. I think the P-Birth focus is used to trick people into thinking that you can get an abortion at any time up till actual child birth. Thats not true.

 

[Patrick]

Are you a crypto-prolife agent? And a dumb one? Your logic free mumbles sound like a (clumsy) attempt to make pro-abortionists look bad.

 

[Tmy]

Sorry if Im not PC enough for you Patrick. I just tell it as I see it.

And I am pro abortion. Im pro assisted suicide, Id be pro death penalty if you could develope a fair system.

 

[Ladyhawk]

Pro Abortion?

I'm probably going to go slightly off topic here for just a moment, but I think it's relevant...

It really unnerves me when anyone says a person is pro abortion instead of pro choice ...can we not do that anymore? I'm an advocate of a woman's right to choose whether she chooses abortion or keeping the baby or giving it up for adoption. Whenever one says that a person is "pro abortion", it conjures up an image of someone who doesn't believe that any baby should be brought to term and I think it's fair to say that this not the side of the fence that most pro-choice folks land on, ok?

By the way, I don't think PBA is an 'emotional tool for the anti-abortion lobby" only. I know plenty of folks who are pro-choice but draw a line in the sand when it comes to PBA. Unless the mother's health/life is endangered and/or there are significant indications that the child will be born with debilitating, perhaps life-threatening, disabilities, many "pro-choice" folks believe that PBA is some kind of two minute warning decision....

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Re: Pro Abortion?

I'm probably going to go slightly off topic here for just a moment, but I think it's relevant...

It really unnerves me when anyone says a person is pro abortion instead of pro choice ...can we not do that anymore? I'm an advocate of a woman's right to choose whether she chooses abortion or keeping the baby or giving it up for adoption. Whenever one says that a person is "pro abortion", it conjures up an image of someone who doesn't believe that any baby should be brought to term and I think it's fair to say that this not the side of the fence that most pro-choice folks land on, ok?

Well, I'm pro-abortion. I think there's at least one other poster who shares this view with me, but I'll let him speak for himself.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Dilation and extraction is a valid medical practice that should be allowed. I'm pro-abortion, btw. I also think that medical doctors should have more of a voice in matters of medical procedures than politicians.

 

[Tmy]

Re: Pro Abortion?

It really unnerves me when anyone says a person is pro abortion instead of pro choice ...can we not do that anymore? I'm an advocate of a woman's right to choose whether she chooses abortion or keeping the baby or giving it up for adoption. Whenever one says that a person is "pro abortion", it conjures up an image of someone who doesn't believe that any baby should be brought to term and I think it's fair to say that this not the side of the fence that most pro-choice folks land on, ok?

More PC thuggery.

As I was writing i noticed that I used "anti-abortion" instead of "pro-life" so I figured id use "pro-abortion" to be consistant.

 

[Bikewer]

I tried to do a little research on this, and it was rather difficult. Wading through endless pro-life sites.... Hard to find even mildly unbiased information.

Bottom line was this. It's a very rare proceedure. Something on the order of .02 percent of all procedures done. There are very specific medical conditions that indicate the procedure. These are situations where either the fetus is already dead (and died durilng the third trimester) or has a condition like hydrocephaly where it will die shortly after birth, and present a considerable danger to the mother if born naturally.

Conventional abortion techniques are dangerous with a fetus at this late stage of development due to the already-calcified skeleton, which presents the danger of internal wounding from broken bones.

My conclusion was that the entire issue is a smoke-screen to use a gruesomely-described procedure to get a "foot in the door" for further assaults on Roe v. Wade.

 

[Lurker]

I'm pro-abortion. Why should pro-choice people run away from that label? I'd like to reduce the number of abortions as they are a medical procedue and thus carry more risk than birth control but other than that, I see no reason to worry about abortion.

As viability becomes an issue, I can see placing limits on abortion.

Lurker

 

[Tmy]

I tried to do a little research on this, and it was rather difficult. Wading through endless pro-life sites.... Hard to find even mildly unbiased information.

Bottom line was this. It's a very rare proceedure. Something on the order of .02 percent of all procedures done. There are very specific medical conditions that indicate the procedure. These are situations where either the fetus is already dead (and died durilng the third trimester) or has a condition like hydrocephaly where it will die shortly after birth, and present a considerable danger to the mother if born naturally.

Conventional abortion techniques are dangerous with a fetus at this late stage of development due to the already-calcified skeleton, which presents the danger of internal wounding from broken bones.

My conclusion was that the entire issue is a smoke-screen to use a gruesomely-described procedure to get a "foot in the door" for further assaults on Roe v. Wade.

Hmmm. I wonder what is more common. A partial birth abortion, or a rape pregnancy. The prolifers usually toss out "rape preggys are rare" as a counter to the abortion for rape victims argument.

 

[Patrick]

Dilation and extraction is a valid medical practice that should be allowed. I'm pro-abortion, btw. I also think that medical doctors should have more of a voice in matters of medical procedures than politicians.

What makes you think anyone cares about your chickensh_t unsupported opinions? Next, tell me your favorite ice cream flavor.

 

[Ladyhawk]

Re: Re: Pro Abortion?

Well, I'm pro-abortion. I think there's at least one other poster who shares this view with me, but I'll let him speak for himself.

I'm curious.....how is a Pro-Abortion person different than a Pro-Choice person?

 

[Ladyhawk]

I'm pro-abortion. Why should pro-choice people run away from that label? I'd like to reduce the number of abortions as they are a medical procedue and thus carry more risk than birth control but other than that, I see no reason to worry about abortion.

As viability becomes an issue, I can see placing limits on abortion.

Lurker

For the reasons I mentioned. Being pro-abortion may mean to many that they are in support of abortion. However, I tend to think that using that label sends the wrong message...as though, by being pro-abortion one is against carrying a fetus to term. You may think I'm splitting hairs but consider this....why do you think that most of the conservative right spew their propoganda citing us as pro abortion and not pro "choice"?

That's all I'm trying to say...

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Re: Re: Re: Pro Abortion?

I'm curious.....how is a Pro-Abortion person different than a Pro-Choice person?

I mean, I actively encourage anyone who is pregnant to get an abortion. Until the human population is down to about a third of its current level.

 

[thaiboxerken]

What makes you think anyone cares about your chickensh_t unsupported opinions? Next, tell me your favorite ice cream flavor.

Nice little ad-hom. Of course, you have to resort to this because you have a disfunctinal brain. Go pray to a god or something, zealot.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I'm pro-abortion as well, I actively want religious people to get them instead of procreating.

 

[Patrick]

The "pro-choice" word trick was invented for two reasons:

1. To short-circuit any real debate on abortion, and condition the way naive people think about the issue by putting the focus on only the woman. This technique has been spectacularly successful.

2. To avoid the use of the word "abortion" -- it's sickly funny the semantic gymnastics the pro-abortion people go through to avoid the word "abortion".

 

[Ladyhawk]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Pro Abortion?

I mean, I actively encourage anyone who is pregnant to get an abortion. Until the human population is down to about a third of its current level.

Oh boy. Now I have to re-examine my own stance ...maybe I am pro abortion......

 

[Lurker]

For the reasons I mentioned. Being pro-abortion may mean to many that they are in support of abortion. However, I tend to think that using that label sends the wrong message...as though, by being pro-abortion one is against carrying a fetus to term. You may think I'm splitting hairs but consider this....why do you think that most of the conservative right spew their propoganda citing us as pro abortion and not pro "choice"?

That's all I'm trying to say...

Oh, I totally agree that the term pro-choice is much more politcally expedient as the pro-abortion label sounds more insidious to the pro-lifer. When I am talking to liberals I generally interchange the terms equally. When I am talking to moderates or conservatives I use pro-choice, so I agree with your premise.

Lurker

 

[Mr Manifesto]

The "pro-choice" word trick was invented for two reasons:

1. To short-circuit any real debate on abortion, and condition the way naive people think about the issue by putting the focus on only the woman. This technique has been spectacularly successful.

2. To avoid the use of the word "abortion" -- it's sickly funny the semantic gymnastics the pro-abortion people go through to avoid the word "abortion".

Point 1 is speculative bullsh!t. Point 2 neatly omits the fact that the anti-abortion lobby refers to themselves as 'pro-life'. Hmm... Why don't they use the word 'abortion'?