What's going on in Paris?

I find these to be very strange statements.

CBL4 said:
Young people deserve jobs as much (perhaps more) as older people and union members.
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Noone deserves a job. Typically people who have or get jobs do so on merit(with some silly exceptions due to affirmative action here in the good ole USA).


CBL4 said:
Presently they protects unions and the currently employed at the expense of youths and unemployed.
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So then, everyone should take turns at being employed and unemployed?

How strange.
 
GroundStrength,

I did not make my reasons clear in this thread.

In France, it is very difficult to fire people. This makes companies extremely reluctant to hire people because they are stuck with them. If they do hire people, they are reluctant to hire people without a proven track record. This screws young people. Since the older workers/union members are responsible for screwing youths, I think they are less deserving of the limited jobs.

I agree that no one "deserves" a job. But no one deserves to live in a society where it is extremely difficult to find a job either. This condition can occur for many reason but when it is done intentionally to protect the "haves", it is reprehensible. Fortunately, it is an easily solvable problem. Unfortunately, most people and politician are economic ignoramuses.

ETA: France has lots of other anti-employment laws.

CBL
 
Flo said:
and unfortunately (but unsurprisingly), the mere idea of cautiousness has obviously still not entered his tiny head ...
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And you will end up with what we have here: nobody says nuthin'. And when they do it is devoid of information.
 
Bjorn said:
I'm glad to hear that this

... was just a joke. A bad one, but a joke.
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Oh, I wasn't joking.

I honestly do think that if you've reached your teens, and don't have the presence of mind to stay away from a power transformer, then you can't really complain when said power transformer kills you.
 
Jas said:
Oh, I wasn't joking.

I honestly do think that if you've reached your teens, and don't have the presence of mind to stay away from a power transformer, then you can't really complain when said power transformer kills you.
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According to what I've read, the two kids were running away from the cops. There's a pretty good possibility that they got into that transformer by accident, or because they didn't have much of a choice.
 
Which anti-employment laws do you think France has?
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If I remember correctly they include:
1) Hard to fire laws.
2) High minimum wage.
3) Poor job training.
4) High welfare benefits.
5) Subsidies to dying industries (e.g. farming) at the expense of growing industries.
6) High payroll taxes.
7) 35 hour work week.
8) Pro-union laws.
The reality is that France culturally and legally is designed to cause unemployment.

CBL
 
Orwell said:
According to what I've read, the two kids were running away from the cops. There's a pretty good possibility that they got into that transformer by accident, or because they didn't have much of a choice.
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And the police, as of yesterday, were denying that they were chasing the kids.

Even if they were, France isn't exactly Syria. An encounter with an electrical transformer is going to be slightly more lethal than an encounter with a french police officer.
 
Flo said:
IMO, "American" is a (very bad) propagandist for OBL, who's doing a botched job of caricaturing their stereotype of a far-right loony ...
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My own impression is that "American" is a propagandist for the American Left, but from there on, we agree both on the botching and the stereotyping.
 
Jas said:
Oh, I wasn't joking.

I honestly do think that if you've reached your teens, and don't have the presence of mind to stay away from a power transformer, then you can't really complain when said power transformer kills you.
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But that's not what you wrote (or what I commented on). You said:

I'm sure that the world is worse off for their loss. :eyeroll:
 
Flo said:
We expect at least a full week of violences, all sides egging each other and Sarkozy grandstanding.

OTOH, there's absolutely no chance the rioting spreads to other parts of France, or even Paris for that matter.
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9 nights in a row now, each worse than the night before, and it's spreading. Rioters are even attacking ambulance crews trying to help sick people. What a mess.

When will France decide that it's had enough, and send in whatever their equivalent is of the US National Guard? Clearly, the police are losing this battle.
 
CBL4 said:
If I remember correctly they include:
1) Hard to fire laws.
2) High minimum wage.
3) Poor job training.
4) High welfare benefits.
5) Subsidies to dying industries (e.g. farming) at the expense of growing industries.
6) High payroll taxes.
7) 35 hour work week.
8) Pro-union laws.
The reality is that France culturally and legally is designed to cause unemployment.

CBL
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Funny how when you assume that an economy is like a pie that has to be divided, and set policy accordingly, the pie actually shrinks and everyone loses in the end. Those at the bottom of the socio-economic spectrum will feel the full effect first, but this will hit all French in the end IMHO. Germany should be taking note of all this, their economy and society is similarly structured.
 
WildCat said:
When will France decide that it's had enough, and send in whatever their equivalent is of the US National Guard? Clearly, the police are losing this battle.
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We had a similar experience here in Washington DC about 20 years ago. Hot summer in the city, disaffected unemployed minority youth (mostly Hispanic, in this case), some triggering event involving the police (I forget what, exactly - try googling "Mount Pleasant" and "riots" if you're interested), and a couple of days of pillaging and wrecking shops.

Mayor finally decided enough was enough and had the police bring out the tear gas. Peace and quiet ensued. One wonders what's holding back the French authorities.

I still remember my favorite sound bite from the local TV news that week. Woman with a microphone in her face, exclaiming, "These guys can't get jobs! No wonder they hang around all day getting drunk!", apparently confusing cause with effect.
 
BPSCG said:
Mayor finally decided enough was enough and had the police bring out the tear gas. Peace and quiet ensued. One wonders what's holding back the French authorities.
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Well, the tear gaz has already been brought out. It's even out and in the mosques. But rioters have had twenty years to refine their tactics, mostly thanks to football hooligans.
 
Jas said:
And the police, as of yesterday, were denying that they were chasing the kids.
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Yes. And we know that police are always honest when it comes to public statements about young men being killed. I seem to recall something about a kid in London and some cops, but that was months ago!
 
WildCat said:
Funny how when you assume that an economy is like a pie that has to be divided, and set policy accordingly, the pie actually shrinks and everyone loses in the end. Those at the bottom of the socio-economic spectrum will feel the full effect first, but this will hit all French in the end IMHO. Germany should be taking note of all this, their economy and society is similarly structured.
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Ah no, economy is not like a pie. It's more like a tide rising all boats... Oh wait, or is it more like a liquid trickling down from the wealthy to the poor? ;)
 
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