What will Iran bomb first?

[moon1969]

Why would Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say that the holocaust is a myth? Why did he say that? Why doesn"t he "believe" in the holocaust?

 

[Pardalis]

Why would Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say that the holocaust is a myth? Why did he say that? Why doesn"t he "believe" in the holocaust?

Where the hell have you been all these years?

It's because of Israel, it's always about Israel.

 

[RandFan]

Randfan,
Did you notice the phrases: "an Israeli attack on Iran would result in" and "Iran's crushing response to Israel, in case of an attack,"

And decide not to acknowledge them in writing? Or did you miss them entirely?

And LOL.
Promises to respond to an attack by destroying the attacker is beating the war drums. There was a time when it would be considered as a deterrent -- ie: an attempt to avoid war.

If the rhetoric was only about a response you would have a point. It isn't and you don't. You can parse the "destruction of Zionism" all you want but if Bush said the same for any nation you know damn well it would be provocative no matter how he tried to spin and parse the way Oliver is doing.

Let's be honest here. The rhetoric coming from Iran toward Israel would be unacceptable by those who are defending it if it were made by America toward other nations.

 

[RandFan]

Where the hell have you been all these years?

It's because of Israel, it's always about Israel.

Oliver believes that holocaust denial should be a punishable crime. I wonder if he would support prosecuting Iranians who deny the holocaust?

 

[Pardalis]

Oliver believes that holocaust denial should be a punishable crime. I wonder if he would support prosecuting Iranians who deny the holocaust?

Didn't you know? They have diplomatic immunity.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

 

[RandFan]

Didn't you know? They have diplomatic immunity.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

No, as long he's the president thingy, he most probably could say those things in Germany. It's called diplomatic immunity, if you heard about that.

Yeah, but would Oliver be for prosecuting Muslims in general who denied the holocaust?

Bear in mind, David Irving didn't deny the Holocaust in Germany. If after Ahmadinejad, after he is president, went to Austria would they prosecute him or does he have life long immunity?

 

[Darth Rotor]

Yes, I completely agree.

Yay. *dons party hat, tosses confetti* Nice that we can agree now and again.

My initial point, however, was to make it absolutely clear that there will be retaliation in one way or another, because I intended to let those people, who are in favor for an attack, know that there is a price-tag to it.

Do you also try to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs?

It does not take much imagination to suss out the concept of Iran, if attacked, getting a shot (or ten) back at the attackers from their side.

Why did you think you needed to tell anyone that?

DR

 

[Pardalis]

Yeah, but would Oliver be for prosecuting Muslims in general who denied the holocaust?

Bear in mind, David Irving didn't deny the Holocaust in Germany. If after Ahmadinejad, after he is president, went to Austria would they prosecute him or does he have life long immunity?

Apparently in Oliver's mind, it's all about threat assessment.

To him, a no-name with no political weight spouting holocaust denial in Germany is more of a threat (to whom one might ask) than the president of an Islamic state (that may or may not be in the process of acquiring nuclear weapons) hosting holocaust denial conferences.

 

[RandFan]

Apparently in Oliver's mind, it's all about threat assessment.

To him, a no-name with no political weight spouting holocaust denial in Germany is more of a threat (to whom one might ask) than the president of an Islamic state (that may or may not be in the process of acquiring nuclear weapons) hosting holocaust denial conferences.

IOW, whatever is conducive to Oliver's world view.

 

[Matteo Martini]

Oliver believes that holocaust denial should be a punishable crime. [..]

You do not?

Apparently in Oliver's mind, it's all about threat assessment.

To him, a no-name with no political weight spouting holocaust denial in Germany is more of a threat (to whom one might ask) than the president of an Islamic state (that may or may not be in the process of acquiring nuclear weapons) hosting holocaust denial conferences.

While I do not agree with everything Oliver says, it is pretty clear that you guys are tremendously biased.
You are making a fuss about hosting a conference about the holocaust and denying it (a very bad thing, indeed), but say little about a president that went to a war on false premises and lied to a nation.
The government of the US and Bush has provoked an internal war that led to hundreds of thousands of victims, something Ahmadinejiad has yet to do.
Considering the first as a bad President but not a criminal, while the second as a criminal shows very clearly that you guys, endorsing each other, are what you are.
Biased.
No more no less than the people you are pretending to fight against (I mean, Islamic extremists, not Oliver)

 

[Pardalis]

Maybe one day you'll understand how wrong it is to constantly try to make moral equivalences, especially when they always end up being about how "bad" the US is. That is biased.

Anyway, I seriously do not care what an Italian from Japan thinks of anything.

 

[Matteo Martini]

[..]
Anyway, I seriously do not care what an Italian from Japan thinks of anything.

Why do not make a sub-forum group with RandFan, Ziggurat and WildCat so you can talk to each other without having other annoying people like me, Dictator Cheney and Oliver stepping into?

 

[Oliver]

Maybe one day you'll understand how wrong it is to constantly try to make moral equivalences, especially when they always end up being about how "bad" the US is. That is biased.

Anyway, I seriously do not care what an Italian from Japan thinks of anything.

Yet you reply to him a lot. But seriously - me and Matteo are just
fighting the obvious bias that America is "good" - and concerning
this topic, the bias that Iran is "bad".

And I'm sorry to point it out, but Iran is better than the US in terms
of aggression against other countries. That's what the facts say.
[And no, this has nothing to do with human rights in Iran - even if
you love to make this irrelevant point concerning the topic]

Plus a retaliation by Iran is legitimate after a first strike by Israel, no?

 

[Matteo Martini]

Yet you reply to him a lot. But seriously - me and Matteo are just
fighting the obvious bias that America is "good" - and concerning
this topic, the bias that Iran is "bad".

And I'm sorry to point it out, but Iran is better than the US in terms
of aggression against other countries. That's what the facts say.
[And no, this has nothing to do with human rights in Iran - even if
you love to make this irrelevant point concerning the topic]

Plus a retaliation by Iran is legitimate after a first strike by Israel, no?

In Italy, we say..
"There is no more deaf person than a person who does not want to hear".
How much true!!
Trying to convince Pardalis that the Government of the US is not precisely interested in the development of democracy in the third world is like trying to convince a Jeovah`s Witness that the world was not (literally) made in six days.
We are wasting our time here, Oliver..

 

[Pardalis]

Trying to convince Pardalis that the Government of the US is not precisely interested in the development of democracy in the third world...

Is that what you were trying to do?

You guys are sure hard to follow.

 

[RandFan]

Yet you reply to him a lot. But seriously - me and Matteo are just fighting the obvious bias that America is "good" - and concerning this topic, the bias that Iran is "bad".

A strawman on this forum. Most if not all of us concede and condemn American crimes. If you are honest about this then you are simply in the wrong forum.

And I'm sorry to point it out, but Iran is better than the US in terms of aggression against other countries. That's what the facts say. [And no, this has nothing to do with human rights in Iran - even if you love to make this irrelevant point concerning the topic]

Why is Iran's oppression of women and minorities irrelevant when we are talking about your bias that Iran is good? Are you just counting the hits and misses? You say that you are countering the bias that "Iran" is bad, isn't killing people because of sexual orientation "bad"? Isn't oppressing women "bad"? Isn't hosting conferences denying the Holocaust "bad"? You started an emotionally ladened thread telling us just how bad Holocaust denial is but you think it wrong for others to point out that Iran is big into Holocaust denial when it comes to dealing with your bias in favor of Iran.

Bottom line, you don't like your hypocricy exposed so you like to play games where you make the rules to exclude your bias.

 

[Darth Rotor]

In Italy, we say..
"There is no more deaf person than a person who does not want to hear".
How much true!!

My irony meter broke again, but at least it wasn't Ion posting that. Then I might have had flying shards of glass from the cover.

Trying to convince Pardalis that the Government of the US is not precisely interested in the development of democracy in the third world is like trying to convince a Jeovah`s Witness that the world was not (literally) made in six days.

Matteo, if you go back to 2002 and 2003, a consistent theme espoused by Cheney, Rummy, Bush, Wolfowitz, and others was precisely the democratic evangelization concept: turn Iraq into a democracy and you can help spread democracy in the middle east. Granted, spreading democracy at the point of a bayonet is a debatable technique, but that was a core policy justification for that war. See also the big deal made about purple thumbs in the first Iraq election, post war, and the continued issed of elections in Afghanistan (as screwy as they have become) since that war began.

We are wasting our time here, Oliver..

You are providing a source of innocent merriment, so it's not a complete waste.

DR

 

[WildCat]

Yet And I'm sorry to point it out, but Iran is better than the US in terms
of aggression against other countries.

Does Iran arm, train, and fund terrorist groups including Hezbollah and Hamas?

 

[WildCat]

Plus a retaliation by Iran is legitimate after a first strike by Israel, no?

What Israeli action against Iran is Iran retaliating against by funding, arming, and training terrorist groups to attack Israel?

 

[RandFan]

Does Iran arm, train, and fund terrorist groups including Hezbollah and Hamas?

Thank you.