What we mean when we talk about racism

[psionl0]

I'm not at all familiar with AFL. Do you perhaps mean Adam Goodes, known for his community work and anti-racism advocacy, Australian of the Year 2014?

If so, that certainly explains why people did not call him racist, while people in the crowd yelling racist terms at him would correctly be called racist. This does not seem a good example of people being called racist for simply disagreeing with someone of a different color. Perhaps I'm not understanding something?

That is correct. I am referring to what happened on the football field and not off it.

The mere act of booing him suddenly becomes racist merely because he happens to be Aboriginal. Yet nobody twisted his actions to be "racist" even though they were equally hostile.

 

[mgidm86]

Shouldn't it be "subconscious bias" rather than "unconscious bias" ?

And isn't labeling something that "everyone has" as racist watering down that label?

Or do we need further qualifiers like "mostly benign" vs "pretty bad" racism?

Has anyone here ever heard of the word "prejudice"? It would describe a lot of what you are talking about here. I picked this post to quote at random, not picking on anyone, you're all equally whacked

It's funny that the word is rarely mentioned on this site given how often racism is discussed.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice

pre-jə-dəs

 

[dann]

Then you would be surprised by the actual studies. Who are you claiming has no unconscious bias with race?

Everyone has biases shaped by their experience, those will always come out in ways unless carefully controlled for. So race certainly is a part of it, though I guess with regard to specific races being unable to differentiate say someone Thai from Korean would limit ones racial biases with regard to differences between them. So how someone conceptualizes race would impact it to a degree.

I don't think that I have any bias with race - conscious or unconscious. I don't feel the need to differentiate someone Thai from someone Korean. If it ever becomes necessary, I'll probably ask them. And I also don't need to conceptualize race. When I look at people there are some that I will assume have ancestors from Africa and some that I will think have Asian ancestors, and sometimes I'll be wrong, which doesn't make me racially biassed.

 

[dann]

Well, I presume he has to be talking about Fred Flintstone's wife.

You're probably right!

 

[ponderingturtle]

I don't think that I have any bias with race - conscious or unconscious.

Then you are simply lying to yourself and pretending you are above all that. You might have less than others, but there is simply no way to prevent preconceptions from coloring your perceptions and hence actions.

 

[wareyin]

That is correct. I am referring to what happened on the football field and not off it.

The mere act of booing him suddenly becomes racist merely because he happens to be Aboriginal. Yet nobody twisted his actions to be "racist" even though they were equally hostile.

The "mere act of booing" included yelling racist invectives. I don't see how you can claim it wasn't racist....wait a minute, hostile? Are you thinking racist somehow equals hostile? Otherwise, I'm not seeing at all how an indigenous Australian pantomiming indigenous Australian acts can be racist.

 

[BobTheCoward]

What?

Xjx posted this scenario

Wilma is afraid to walk through certain neighborhoods because there is more violent crime in those neighborhoods.

These people are not necessarily racists.

 

[psionl0]

The "mere act of booing" included yelling racist invectives. I don't see how you can claim it wasn't racist....wait a minute, hostile? Are you thinking racist somehow equals hostile? Otherwise, I'm not seeing at all how an indigenous Australian pantomiming indigenous Australian acts can be racist.

No, it was just simple booing that saw spectators being labeled racist. It is an example of how just about any act can be twisted to be racist.

Heckling by spectators has always been part of the game. Not any more. People can be thrown out if they say the "wrong" thing.

 

[wareyin]

No, it was just simple booing that saw spectators being labeled racist. It is an example of how just about any act can be twisted to be racist.

Heckling by spectators has always been part of the game. Not any more. People can be thrown out if they say the "wrong" thing.

You specifically cited an example of a spectator calling him a racially insulting term. Have you forgotten that?

 

[Myriad]

...and some of them have thoroughly earned that title.

Some X have thoroughly earned the title Y, so it's okay to use Y as if it were practically a synonym for X?

You might want to rethink that, or perhaps explain why your response was relevant otherwise.

 

[d4m10n]

The admissions folks at Harvard know that these kids are demonstrably superior when it comes to the best quantitative predictors of academic performance, and they implemented a squishy subjective method in order to arbitrarily lower their likelihood of admission. Racism? I’d say obviously so.

Well extra curricular activities are just a way for the elites to make it seem like they earned their place. Like how youth sports are no longer as prominent in poor and middle class families.

Extracurriculars are only one of many advantages economic elites grant themselves, e.g. my son's high school benefited from vibrant and award-winning in-school music programs which were incomparable to those found in neighboring districts, which he levered to some advantage in the process of college application.

That said, it seems relatively clear to me that Harvard’s treatment of highly-qualified Asian American students isn’t coming from anti-elistist sentiment on their part, but rather from an implicit bias in favor of the racial status quo.

 

[psionl0]

You specifically cited an example of a spectator calling him a racially insulting term. Have you forgotten that?

Do you really think that racial insults and booing are one and the same?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Who cares?

Group X overusing "racism" as an insult/argument even if it's true doesn't change how much racism is in the world.

"Racism" and "Over-reaction to Racism" aren't two sides of some scale you gain points for one by taking points away from the other.

 

[wareyin]

Do you really think that racial insults and booing are one and the same?

Is it your claim that no other racial insults were yelled during the booing, and/or that this particular racial insult was not part of the booing? Judging by sports fans in the US, when the player (or coach) is part of a minority racial insults are virtually always yelled during the booing. And considering the 16 year old in your example claims she didn't even realize what she yelled was a racial slur, I'd be fairly surprised if she hadn't been hearing it from other fans before she decided out of the blue to yell a racial invective at a minority player.

 

[Butter!]

Xjx posted this scenario

I know, but I didn't really understand your response in context. Read it again, it's a bit confusing.

 

[Distracted1]

Who cares?

Group X overusing "racism" as an insult/argument even if it's true doesn't change how much racism is in the world.

"Racism" and "Over-reaction to Racism" aren't two sides of some scale you gain points for one by taking points away from the other.

Yet, determining what "racism" actually is would be pretty necessary if one were trying to determine how much of it there is in the world, no?
Else one could claim that there is "less than one joule" or "65 gigatons" of it with equal authority.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I know, but I didn't really understand your response in context. Read it again, it's a bit confusing.

I'm fine with it.

 

[xjx388]

Is it your claim that no other racial insults were yelled during the booing, and/or that this particular racial insult was not part of the booing? Judging by sports fans in the US, when the player (or coach) is part of a minority racial insults are virtually always yelled during the booing. And considering the 16 year old in your example claims she didn't even realize what she yelled was a racial slur, I'd be fairly surprised if she hadn't been hearing it from other fans before she decided out of the blue to yell a racial invective at a minority player.

"Virtually always?" Please. I've been to numerous sporting events all over the country and I have never heard a minority player being heckled with racial insults. Does it happen? I'm sure it does because there are ******** in the world. But such a gross exaggeration doesn't do your argument any favors.

 

[psionl0]

Is it your claim that no other racial insults were yelled during the booing, and/or that this particular racial insult was not part of the booing? Judging by sports fans in the US, when the player (or coach) is part of a minority racial insults are virtually always yelled during the booing. And considering the 16 year old in your example claims she didn't even realize what she yelled was a racial slur, I'd be fairly surprised if she hadn't been hearing it from other fans before she decided out of the blue to yell a racial invective at a minority player.

Why don't you learn to read for comprehension instead of making up stuff?

The claim made in the media was that anybody who booed Goodes was a racist. It wasn't "anybody who booed Goodes and yelled out racial insults" was a racist.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

The Racism Hoax is the new focus of the New York Times after their Russia Hoax went belly up. Same target of course, just new lies and propaganda.