What to do about the truth movement?

[DC]

Did this involve assaulting people in wheelchairs?

did i ever atack someone in a wheelchair?
and do you have details about the incident? or did you jump on a conclusion?

 

[chillzero]

Can we please try very hard not to allow ourselves to get dragged off on yet another derail?

 

[deep]

The "truth" movement now is just seeking any recognition because it's being ignored and mocked by the general population.

Perhaps you could cite some poll results to backup your claim? Because most, if not all, of the polls I've seen directly contradict that statement.

Not to mention the steady stream of architects, engineers, scientists, politicians, and even various celebrities who are coming forward and voicing their support.

The number of supporters is growing, with no sign of slowing down.

 

[Confuseling]

You've been a member here for a while, and you were "just curious" as to the general opinion about this? Do you actually read the messages in this sub-forum?

Or is this just another one of those "let's justify what we do" messages?

Did you see me claim this would be a representative sample? Principally I was curious what people would pick between the first two options, because many simply don't believe there are any fence-sitters left - but I know there are some people who swing through who believe that arguing only perpetuates it, and wondered what the strength of that would be too.

 

[aggle-rithm]

The bush admin. knew there was talk of an attack.

Yes, but there's also talk of lots of things that don't happen. How do you tell the difference ahead of time?

Where was the good, no conspiracy CFR? The bush administration could have stopped it but didn't.

...according to you.

That's scary enough! Then you have operation Northwoods.

...which never happened.

Again These things are scary enough. Just the THOUGHT of them spitballing this is terrible. Killing innocent civilians for corporate/special interests.

Good thing it never happened.

Perhaps you shouldn't worry so much about things that MIGHT have happened in the past, but didn't?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Not to mention the steady stream of architects, engineers, scientists, politicians, and even various celebrities who are coming forward and voicing their support.

The voices of these people might hold some sway among truthers, but among their peers they are considered crackpots.

 

[Almo]

It's a massive waste of time and money. I thought you Ronulans were against excessive government spending, at least in principal. If not the government, who would fund it? Would the Truth Movement even be happy with a second government explaination if it came at no taxpayer expense? Who would carry it out?

Bold mine. Was that an intentional misspelling to generate a joke?

 

[Almo]

Perhaps you could cite some poll results to backup your claim? Because most, if not all, of the polls I've seen directly contradict that statement.

Not to mention the steady stream of architects, engineers, scientists, politicians, and even various celebrities who are coming forward and voicing their support.

The number of supporters is growing, with no sign of slowing down.

Perhaps you could cite some poll results to backup your claim?

 

[DGM]

Perhaps you could cite some poll results to backup your claim? Because most, if not all, of the polls I've seen directly contradict that statement.

Not to mention the steady stream of architects, engineers, scientists, politicians, and even various celebrities who are coming forward and voicing their support.

The number of supporters is growing, with no sign of slowing down.

I don't really believe in polls. What I do know is "truther" web traffic is down and I never see any signs of a "truth" movement in my area. I don't live in the "sticks" I live 10 minutes outside of Boston. I've never met a "truther", once I went to where they were going to have a "rally" and I couldn't find them. The only numbers they show at "rallies is when the latch on to some other cause.

Case in point; The Ron Paul rally in Boston that the "truthers" claimed to be part of, I was there and did not see a single "truther" (no signs or anything) among hundreds of Ron Paul supporters. Then I read the Boston "truth" site telling me about the big success for 9/11 truth.

Bottom line is as activist you guys really suck. Your campaign is totally ineffective. If your "movement" was around during the civil rights movement days I have no doubt that slavery would have come back.

 

[Drudgewire]

Perhaps you could cite some poll results to backup your claim?

And let's try to avoid internet polls, since your completely honest movement has a tendency to suggest flooding any poll that shows up online in order to inflate your numbers.

 

[Confuseling]

And let's try to avoid internet polls, since your completely honest movement has a tendency to suggest flooding any poll that shows up online in order to inflate your numbers.

I'm waiting for the deluge myself. It's a calculated trick to lure them into the very heart of the JREF beast.

ETA: I went for 'for the sake of its adherents.' I'm surprised so few people have; maybe sympathy for lost souls declines with increased exposure?

 

[Stellafane]

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -
Mahatma Gandhi

"First you get mad at them, then you laugh at them, then you ignore them, then you forget they ever even existed."

-- Stellafane, describing truthers

 

[fkwebinash]

The bush admin. knew there was talk of an attack. Where was the good, no conspiracy CFR? The bush administration could have stopped it but didn't. That's scary enough! Then you have operation Northwoods. Again These things are scary enough. Just the THOUGHT of them spitballing this is terrible. Killing innocent civilians for corporate/special interests.

Evidence pl0x kthxbai.

 

[Minadin]

I'm waiting for the deluge myself. It's a calculated trick to lure them into the very heart of the JREF beast.

ETA: I went for 'for the sake of its adherents.' I'm surprised so few people have; maybe sympathy for lost souls declines with increased exposure?

If you would like a great example of why so many of us feel that the self-proclaimed "truthers" are beyond our assistance, please check out the "AE911Truth Watch" thread, and specifically how several of us spend several pages (over the course of many days) getting a single conspiracy theorist to admit, finally, that he is wrong, only to have him renew his claims a couple of days (about half a page) later.

I still feel that it's necessary to offer verifiable, rational explanations for the 'truther' crap so that when people see some of their absurd fantasies posted on another site, they can think, 'that's not right' and google it, and maybe end up here.

 

[alex04]

where's the 'Buzz Aldrin' option?

 

[ronpaulisright]

So since I've never been involved on either side, I'd like to know from you all knowing anti-truther folk, How did the building that was never hit by a plane crumble to the ground?

Also, let it be known that pissed off middle easterners flew buildings into those towers. There you got me on the record saying that

 

[Dave Rogers]

So since I've never been involved on either side, I'd like to know from you all knowing anti-truther folk, How did the building that was never hit by a plane crumble to the ground?

Is it my turn to answer this one, guys? I don't want to mess up the rota.

Which building that was never hit by a plane do you mean? Do you mean WTC3, which was flattened by debris from the Twin Towers, and is currently being discussed in another thread? WTC4 or 6, huge holes battered into them by falling debris from WTC2 and subsequently demolished? WTC5, on fire for hours resulting in a huge area internally collapsing, because for some unknown reason a large office fire is in fact able to cause steel columns to fail? Or if all these examples of buildings being destroyed by either fire or impact damage are not in any way suspicious, then how about WTC7, which was hit by debris from WTC1, had the entire southern face of the building cut in half, then burned for seven hours without the FDNY being able to do anything about it because the water main had been severed by the WTC1 collapse? For some reason, if buildings can be destroyed by fire or impact damage, there's nothing odd about it, but when one's destroyed by both, that's suspicious.

Or maybe you mean St. Nicholas's Church (Greek Orthodox). Clearly, the Turks were behind that one.

Also, let it be known that pissed off middle easterners flew buildings into those towers. There you got me on the record saying that

And you nearly got it right. They flew planes into the towers. Arguably, and indirectly, they did fly buildings into the rest; it was flying pieces of buildings that did the damage.

Dave

 

[timhau]

Why isn't 'Point at it and laugh' an option?

 

[uk_dave]

Why isn't 'Point at it and laugh' an option?

It goes without saying.

 

[Thunder]

cant we ship them all to Zanzibar?