• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

What to do about Jeff?

theprestige said:
What's your problem with Jeff Bezos, again?
Click to expand...

It's Seattle headquarters doesn't pay enough taxes to support the infrastructure it requires.

They pay their warehouse workers like $13.50 an hour for really hard work. That kind of work should earn better pay.

Basically the same complaints people have about all corporations.
 
Mycroft said:
It's Seattle headquarters doesn't pay enough taxes to support the infrastructure it requires.

They pay their warehouse workers like $13.50 an hour for really hard work. That kind of work should earn better pay.

Basically the same complaints people have about all corporations.
Click to expand...

The typical pay rate for a WalMart overnight stocker is $10 per hour, the hourly rate for an Asda employee is £8.50. WalMart owns Asda and I would say that stocking shelves must be a similar job to picking orders yet we see that Bezos, the monster, is paying better than them or at a commensurate rate for, ostensibly, the same job.

I’ve never done either job and because of that I’d like you to tell me more about how “really hard” it is to pick items from a shelf. Maybe I’m missing something.
 
Last edited:
Mycroft said:
It's Seattle headquarters doesn't pay enough taxes to support the infrastructure it requires.

They pay their warehouse workers like $13.50 an hour for really hard work. That kind of work should earn better pay.

Basically the same complaints people have about all corporations.
Click to expand...

To reiterate what, I believe, theprestige was saying....

Jeff Bezos is not Amazon or a corporation. What is your problem with Jeff, personally?
 
Mycroft said:
It's Seattle headquarters doesn't pay enough taxes to support the infrastructure it requires.

They pay their warehouse workers like $13.50 an hour for really hard work. That kind of work should earn better pay.

Basically the same complaints people have about all corporations.
Click to expand...

in a sense they are being charitable to those workers. Amazon is giving them the best option out of all the options that were available to that individual worker. No one else offered them better than Amazon. How do I know this? Because the worker took the job.
 
Crawtator said:
To reiterate what, I believe, theprestige was saying....

Jeff Bezos is not Amazon or a corporation. What is your problem with Jeff, personally?
Click to expand...
Thanks, yes. And to be clear, I understand having a problem with Jeff Bezos as the guy who decides how Amazon behaves.

But someone brought up the subject of his personal wealth for some reason, in the context of a discussion of his objectionable corporate tax strategy.
 
luchog said:
Waiting for your to provide the evidence that GlassDoor.com is a representative statistical average of all Amazon employess, and not a self-selected group of upper-level employees who have better working conditions than the rank and file. Oh, and BTW, Amazon (and many other employers) "strongly encourage" their employees to rate them on GlassDoor to counteract the negative reviews.

Until that happens, and given what I know about GlassDoor and the way it gets used by employers (from personal experience), I'll take that with a huge grain of salt.
Click to expand...

You can filter by job type.
Warehouse is still 3.1
Part time is 3.4

Oh, and BTW, Amazon (and many other employers) "strongly encourage" their employees to rate them on GlassDoor to counteract the negative reviews.
Click to expand...
But it is pretty hard to do that when there are a lot of reviews.
I have been asked at my place of employment but there are only 20 reviews.
 
Crawtator said:
To reiterate what, I believe, theprestige was saying....

Jeff Bezos is not Amazon or a corporation. What is your problem with Jeff, personally?
Click to expand...


That he created and for most of its existence drove the polices that defined the corporate practice and culture. Bezos, for a very long time, was in fact Amazon, he was the founder, he was the one who developed it and made it what it is, and he was the one who continued to set the tone for well after I quit working there. He is directly responsible for what it is, and he made his billions because of what he made the corporation.
 
luchog said:
That he created and for most of its existence drove the polices that defined the corporate practice and culture. Bezos, for a very long time, was in fact Amazon, he was the founder, he was the one who developed it and made it what it is, and he was the one who continued to set the tone for well after I quit working there. He is directly responsible for what it is, and he made his billions because of what he made the corporation.
Click to expand...

Not saying I agree with the assessment, but OK. But that cat is out of the bag. There's no fixing that at this point. Now he answers to all the shareholders who are attempting to maximize profits, correct? Let's say the majority of them want to enact change inside of Amazon to make wages/policies/societal involvement more "friendly" and less profit-driven. Couldn't they do so? He is not even close to a majority shareholder.

But they haven't. I think we all know why. To act like the fact that they haven't is surprising is ludicrous. These people are giving him an unspoken mandate to continue to maximize profits...which, as I see it, is the whole point of any corporation. Jeff is not personally responsible for that. He may be the figurehead and the force behind the immense increase in value for the corporation, but it is not within his power to do something that the vast majority of shareholders do not want. I think he is doing exactly what he has been doing for so long because THEY WANT HIM TO. And until that changes, everyone can stop blaming Jeff Bezos personally for his actions. Hell, he could step down tomorrow and the next figurehead appointed by the shareholders would be foolish to begin doing anything different than he has in the past, as evidenced by the continued dominance of Amazon.
 
bluesjnr said:
I’ve never done either job and because of that I’d like you to tell me more about how “really hard” it is to pick items from a shelf. Maybe I’m missing something.
Click to expand...

What you're missing is the obvious; that any job can be taxing with an acceleration of pace and volume even if the fundamentals are simple. This is so obvious that your failure to understand comes across as disingenuous.
 
Crawtator said:
To reiterate what, I believe, theprestige was saying....

Jeff Bezos is not Amazon or a corporation. What is your problem with Jeff, personally?
Click to expand...

Wut?

Nowhere di I say I have any problem with Bezos personally. Do try to follow.
 
BobTheCoward said:
in a sense they are being charitable to those workers. Amazon is giving them the best option out of all the options that were available to that individual worker. No one else offered them better than Amazon. How do I know this? Because the worker took the job.
Click to expand...

Yes, a free market article of faith. But does the real world always work that way? Do you think every worker always has the best job available?
 
Last edited:
dann said:
Did you actually buy into that obvious lie?!! Karl Marx wouldn't dream of saying a stupid thing like that.
Click to expand...

How would you know what Marx would dream or not dream of saying? But yeah, sounds exactly like something he might've said to me. Marx was no flowery hippie you know, when push comes to shove he was perfectly capable of saying things like that.
 
Can we agree that, in American society, money buys political influence? Of course we can. Then having political influence concentrated in the hands of a few ultra-wealthy people is a problem.
 
caveman1917 said:
How would you know what Marx would dream or not dream of saying? But yeah, sounds exactly like something he might've said to me. Marx was no flowery hippie you know, when push comes to shove he was perfectly capable of saying things like that.
Click to expand...


No, he wasn't, not in the real world. Apparently you never really read any Marx so you should be aware that there are an awful lot of false quotations attributed to him. The one about the capitalists and the rope, however, is usually attributed to Lenin, but he also never wrote (or said) it.
You also didn't bother to read the Quote Investigator link, apparently:


Lenin wrote, “When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.”
—Major George Racey Jordan

Jordan was a U.S. military officer who became a fierce anti-communist. Lenin had died in 1924; hence, the 1955 date was quite late. No documentary source was specified, and multiple researchers have been unable to find a match in Lenin’s writings.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/02/22/rope/
Click to expand...


That you willingly spread the lies of anti-communists makes me wonder what your intentions are.


ETA: This is another one, this time from Reddit: Did anyone actually say "the capitalists will sell us the rope we hang them with"?
 
Last edited:
theprestige said:
Stock sales are taxed.


Gains from capital investment are taxed.


Real property is taxed.


Revenues from the Post's business are taxed. Capital gains from investment in the Post and by the Post are taxed. Income he receives from the Post is taxed.


Gains from investing borrowed funds are taxed.


On the other hand, whatever benefits he realizes, whether income or capital gains, are taxed. And of course if he does sell shares, the sale is taxed.

What's your problem with Jeff Bezos, again?
Click to expand...
That's a very naive idea of his ownership of his many assets, they are owned via a myriad of legal entities to (legally) minimise his tax liabilities.
 
Darat said:
That's a very naive idea of his ownership of his many assets, they are owned via a myriad of legal entities to (legally) minimise his tax liabilities.
Click to expand...

For each of the items I talk about in the post you quoted, please name the legal entities that own that item, and how that ownership works to minimize his personal tax liability. Thanks in advance.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom