What the **** is Wrong with American Cops?

pgwenthold said:
But there it has resulted in tons of actual cannabis businesses. There's like a pot shop on every block in Vancouver. They aren't all losing money.
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23 Legal shops total. The rest are illegal. Most of the legal shops are less than a year old.

The funding of many of the legal shops has so far been subsidized from the years of illegal business they have done openly with no tax on their illegal supplies of weed. My sources suggest that a lot of the ongoing sales are also a way to wash cash from the illegal wholesale of their illegal cannabis grow-ops.

Also, the huge amount of money raised by the wildly speculative stock market in many cannabis companies has given them a huge cash reserve to fund losses for a long time hoping for something to change in their retail outlets.

Edited to add: I am in favor of legalization of most drugs that are illegal now. I just think that Canada has really made a mistake trying to cash in on a perceived potential windfall through taxation. Reducing police costs and harm reduction is enough to balance the books heavily in favor of legalization. IMHO.
(Former cop speaking)
 
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catsmate said:
And yet countries, such as Canada, have seen so such explosion in crime.
It's almost as if you're spouting nonsense.
:rolleyes:
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If I'm right, there wouldn't be an explosion,. There would just be a shift. And Canada hardly legalized all drugs.

It's almost as if you're spouting straw men.
 
Ziggurat said:
If I'm right, there wouldn't be an explosion,. There would just be a shift. And Canada hardly legalized all drugs.

It's almost as if you're spouting straw men.
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The one they did legalize recently is by far the most heavily used of the recognized street drugs. It would make sense that cannabis would be the one where the change is most visible.

And FWIW rockinkt's comments apply only to his? personal experiences in the greater Vancouver and should not be applied to the range of experiences across the entire country.
 
Steve said:
The one they did legalize recently is by far the most heavily used of the recognized street drugs. It would make sense that cannabis would be the one where the change is most visible.

And FWIW rockinkt's comments apply only to his? personal experiences in the greater Vancouver and should not be applied to the range of experiences across the entire country.
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Nonsense! You used Vancouver as an example. Your facts exaggerations were wrong. I posted the facts regarding numbers. My information is obtained by perusing information from a variety of public and private sources. My link was from a reputable source. Here are some more:

Deloitte said Canada’s legal cannabis industry would grow to as much as $4.34 billion in the first year of legalization, and that the majority of purchases would be made through the legal market rather than illicit sources. However, earlier StatsCan data shows that the illicit market still represents between 70 and 80 per cent of all cannabis sales in the first year of legalization.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/pot-sal...casts-in-first-year-of-legalization-1.1361025

https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/november-2019/canadas-cannabis-caper-has-markets-in-chaos/

Now it is your turn to come up with evidence to back your claims. So far you have nothing.
 
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arthwollipot said:
Why the hell are armed police being called in on an unruly child anyway? That's not a job for police.
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Since the Columbine shootings many American schools have taken to having a police officer in the school. So now, when an eight year old with personality issues physically assaults a teacher (the boy had apparently hit her in the chest with his fist), instead of being sent to the office for the principal and perhaps a counsellor to deal with, they call in the police officer.
 
Blue Mountain said:
Since the Columbine shootings many American schools have taken to having a police officer in the school. So now, when an eight year old with personality issues physically assaults a teacher (the boy had apparently hit her in the chest with his fist), instead of being sent to the office for the principal and perhaps a counsellor to deal with, they call in the police officer.
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Schools, especially elementary/middle schools need what amount to bouncers. People big enough and strong enough to keep these kids from hurting themselves or others without injuring them in he process.

The average teacher's aide tasked with dealing with an 8 year old run amok would be lucky to win an even fight with the eight year old. They need an ex-linebacker that can with little effort gently control the child while being able to take any punishment the kid dishes out.

This job, unlike being a cop, would have it be clear that self defense isn't a thing. The job is to protect the safety of child and staff even by getting hurt in the process.
 
Suddenly said:
Schools, especially elementary/middle schools need what amount to bouncers. People big enough and strong enough to keep these kids from hurting themselves or others without injuring them in he process.

The average teacher's aide tasked with dealing with an 8 year old run amok would be lucky to win an even fight with the eight year old. They need an ex-linebacker that can with little effort gently control the child while being able to take any punishment the kid dishes out.

This job, unlike being a cop, would have it be clear that self defense isn't a thing. The job is to protect the safety of child and staff even by getting hurt in the process.
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They need to safely and gently hogtie the kid and call the parent(s) or guardian to take him home and keep him there. If the kid can't make it in a classroom without violence - keep him to heck out of the classroom and get him the obvious psychiatric help he needs. If the psychiatric help isn't available - the parents can keep him until he is old enough and commits a serious enough crime to be jailed.
Too many classrooms have become dumping grounds for out of control kids that make it nearly impossible for the kids who can function in a classroom setting to actually learn.
 
rockinkt said:
They need to safely and gently hogtie the kid and call the parent(s) or guardian to take him home and keep him there. If the kid can't make it in a classroom without violence - keep him to heck out of the classroom and get him the obvious psychiatric help he needs. If the psychiatric help isn't available - the parents can keep him until he is old enough and commits a serious enough crime to be jailed.
Too many classrooms have become dumping grounds for out of control kids that make it nearly impossible for the kids who can function in a classroom setting to actually learn.
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Sure this works just great in a country where money is everything and even people with kids are forced to work (sometimes multiple jobs). :rolleyes:
 
Blue Mountain said:
Since the Columbine shootings many American schools have taken to having a police officer in the school. So now, when an eight year old with personality issues physically assaults a teacher (the boy had apparently hit her in the chest with his fist), instead of being sent to the office for the principal and perhaps a counsellor to deal with, they call in the police officer.
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Even using the word assault in this context is absurd. A child of 8 years old is unable to commit assault because they are unable to having the necessary mental capacity for their actions to be considered criminal.

An 8 year old hitting their teacher is a behavioral problem, not a crime.
 
RedStapler said:
Sure this works just great in a country where money is everything and even people with kids are forced to work (sometimes multiple jobs). :rolleyes:
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Your assumption that this kid is from a poor family or all "problem" children are from poor families is very telling. :(
 
And when it's an autistic kid who's out of control *because* they're being pinned down by some adult, instead of having a chance to regroup and calm themselves, what then? How do you think that's going to work out?
 
deadrose said:
And when it's an autistic kid who's out of control *because* they're being pinned down by some adult, instead of having a chance to regroup and calm themselves, what then? How do you think that's going to work out?
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And what if a part of Saturn breaks free and hurdles itself toward earth and hits the school?

Please try to stick to the subject at hand. We were discussing a child who was violent and struck a teacher. Nothing to do with your "what-if".
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Even using the word assault in this context is absurd. A child of 8 years old is unable to commit assault because they are unable to having the necessary mental capacity for their actions to be considered criminal.

An 8 year old hitting their teacher is a behavioral problem, not a crime.
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Where in the wide world of sports did you come up with the absurd notion that the word "assault" means "crime"?
If you don't know the meaning of a word maybe you should try and look it up on Google.
 
rockinkt said:
And what if a part of Saturn breaks free and hurdles itself toward earth and hits the school?

Please try to stick to the subject at hand. We were discussing a child who was violent and struck a teacher. Nothing to do with your "what-if".
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Yup. Call the cops to cuff the little bugger. Obviously no other way to handle it in the good ol' USA.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Even using the word assault in this context is absurd. A child of 8 years old is unable to commit assault because they are unable to having the necessary mental capacity for their actions to be considered criminal.

An 8 year old hitting their teacher is a behavioral problem, not a crime.
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Which is why it's a problem for a trained social worker or counsellor, not an armed cop.
 
rockinkt said:
Where in the wide world of sports did you come up with the absurd notion that the word "assault" means "crime"?
If you don't know the meaning of a word maybe you should try and look it up on Google.
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While we're looking up words, check out what "hogtie" actually means. I honestly thought your earlier post was sarcasm, because you said to "gently and safely hogtie" misbehaving kids. I suppose if that doesn't correct the issue, a mild flogging, then a moderate beheading, would be called for.
 
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