What Really Happened on 9/11?

[Shaun from Scotland]

Thanks for the image Wildcat, maybe we can put this into terms that the CTers will understand.

Your doing that "science" thing again. Remember it should be "Joows, Illuminati" etc...

 

[sackett]

WildCat said, “And then he claims it would only take 4000 lbs of explosives to do this? There is a serious lack of consistency in the Captain's theory.”

On my way to work this morning (it’s a boring drive) I had the thought that maybe the New Mail Order World globulists didn’t use ordinary explosives! That would be just like them!

C4? TNT? Dyamite? Old stuff! Nowadays they got ‘splosives a hunnerd times more powerful! They call ‘em “energetic materials,” and they can blow up stuff I ain’t even thought of yet. I saw it on a government web page somewheres, or it maybe was in Popular Mechanics one time down to the barbershop when I was waiting for a chair.

Well, you can’t prove it AIN’T so!

Pardon the lapse into dialect, but I want Corporal Farrow to know he’s not the only country boy here.

 

[Manny]

And the award for "Most abused and mis-represented idea in Physics" goes to........

If I knew how I'd insert the jaw-drop smiley at this point......Sheesh.........

I'm in the wrong profession. If I got up in front of an audience and intentionally misused a financial term in such a way as to try to persuade the audience of something which is not demonstrated the SEC and my self-regulatory organization would be on me like stink on a wet dog. I guess the physics regulators and self-regulators are less concerned with public communication and more concerned with 'please don't make a new universe in the particle accelerator,' which on reflection I suppose is probably the best way for them to spend their time.

 

[chipmunk stew]

WildCat said, “And then he claims it would only take 4000 lbs of explosives to do this? There is a serious lack of consistency in the Captain's theory.”

On my way to work this morning (it’s a boring drive) I had the thought that maybe the New Mail Order World globulists didn’t use ordinary explosives! That would be just like them!

C4? TNT? Dyamite? Old stuff! Nowadays they got ‘splosives a hunnerd times more powerful! They call ‘em “energetic materials,” and they can blow up stuff I ain’t even thought of yet. I saw it on a government web page somewheres, or it maybe was in Popular Mechanics one time down to the barbershop when I was waiting for a chair.

Well, you can’t prove it AIN’T so!

Pardon the lapse into dialect, but I want Corporal Farrow to know he’s not the only country boy here.

There are, in fact, several alternative explosives being discussed among the CTers. The most popular seems to be thermite, but that idea hasn't reached full consensus. Just today I read a post proposing small hydrogen bombs.

But my all time favorite is this:

Was the collapse of the World Trade Center caused by a laser beam weapon? A physicist who worked on the original “deep infrared” beam weapon has reason to believe so.

Amazingly, more than five months after the greatest terror attack on America in history, the cause of the towers’ structural failure has yet to be investigated and re mains unexplained, according to America’s leading fire engineering experts.

As part of an on-going investigation, American Free Press has interviewed a German physicist who believes a laser beam weapon, employing infrared technology originally developed in the Soviet Union, may have caused the towers’ collapse.

 

[CFLarsen]

It was sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads....

 

[sackett]

Thermite? Man, that is SO world war 2!

Now a secret laser beam directed energy destructor infra red ray gun built by commies (I said infra RED, now didn't I?), say, that's obvious when you think about it.

Seriously, as ntech remarked, ignorance is essential to the development of conspiracy theories, especially the Loose Cannons' variety. Ignorance opens the gate to madness.

Hats off to Gravy and Rolfe for their sweated labor. I hope it does a little good.

 

[Rolfe]

Rolfe I think you are referring to the Horizon (Nova in the USA) show. Transcript here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2001/worldtradecentertrans.shtml

Im afraid it uses science and complicated stuff like that. Sorry loose marblers.

Thanks Shaun. Somehow I was thinking it had been a C4 broadcast, but I think you're right, that's the programme. Broadcast 7th March 2002. Everything sussed out to the point where they were able to make a glossy documentary about it within six months of the actual event. It's a pity the transcript doesn't include the fancy schematics and graphics, but you can't have everything.

[ETA: Quoted by Chipmunk Stew above:

Amazingly, more than five months after the greatest terror attack on America in history, the cause of the towers’ structural failure has yet to be investigated and re mains unexplained, according to America’s leading fire engineering experts.

Oops, maybe these guys should just have tuned into BBC2....]

So, has anyone asked the CTers what it is about that lot they find so impossible to believe?

Oooooh Nooooo..... They actually admit it....!!!

MATTHYS LEVY: It was very much like a controlled demolition when you look at it because the building essentially fell almost vertically down as if someone had deliberately set blasts to take place to cause the building to fall vertically downward.

So, the Horizon programme proves the case for the conspiracy!!!!

Or maybe not....

NARRATOR: .... Many experts now think the North Tower fell for different reasons to the South Tower. The main clue lies in what happened to the TV mast on top. It dropped straight down.

MATTHYS LEVY: It was very much like a controlled demolition when you look at it because the building essentially fell almost vertically down as if someone had deliberately set blasts to take place to cause the building to fall vertically downward.

NARRATOR: The mast was directly supported by the tower's inner core. The way it fell suggests it was failure of the inner core that began the collapse, whereas in the South Tower it had been the outer walls. The reason for this difference is probably the way in which the tower had been hit. The 767 had smashed through the outer wall and hit the inner core directly destroying the fire protection. The intense fire that followed had then concentrated around the core. Two things would then have happened. Floor trusses, softened by the fire, would have fallen away from the core. Without the trusses to hold it firm, the core would have lost crucial support. At the same time, the core's exposed steel girders, also long softened by the heat, would have begun to buckle under the weight of the tower. The result: another progressive collapse.

It's all in the context.

Oh, but just because we can't quite follow that really fairly simple explanation, and we know nothing at all about structural engineering, and we sort of would have expected the buildings to behave differently if they had suffered nothing but the unprecedented airliner hits, and we note the superficial similarity to buildings brought down by controlled explosions - gosh, it must have BEEN controlled explosions.

No matter how improbable.

Oh, get a life.

Rolfe.

 

[Hellbound]

Well, technically, thermite is not an explosive, it's an incendiary. It will burn at high temps (up to 4000 degrees F, not 2500 as the Cpt claimed), but does not blow up.

In any case, did he ever explain what the unholy Ed thermite had to do with blacksmiths shaping steel in wood-burning furnaces? I notice kookbreaker pointed this out to him as well (thanks for that), but I don't see where he answered.

 

[Rolfe]

And btw....I HATED Piggy in The Lord of the Flies...just a side thought. I was so happy that a rock crushed his whiny little ass...lol.

A rock crushed his head, if I remember correctly - I was even younger than CptFarlow is now when I read the book. OK, it's fiction, but even so, how can anyone be so desensitised as to declare themselves happy, and post that inane "lol", at the death of a boy in what were very harrowing circumstances, no matter how much he disliked the character.

Maybe when you grow up a bit, "Captain", you'll develop a bit of empathy or fellow-feeling or sensitivity or something.

Rolfe.

 

[hurdygurdy]

It's a pity the transcript doesn't include the fancy schematics and graphics, but you can't have everything.

The documentary is available at emule. I don't dare to post the elink, I suppose it's not permited here.

 

[NeilC]

Jeez you people are ignorant.

If they can fake the moon landings, what makes you think they can't blow up buildings and keep it a secret??!

 

[Nyarlathotep]

The documentary is available at emule. I don't dare to post the elink, I suppose it's not permited here.

You can post the link (I see you have more than 15 posts) you just couldn't post the document itself.

 

[rwguinn]

Thanks Shaun. Somehow I was thinking it had been a C4 broadcast, but I think you're right, that's the programme. Broadcast 7th March 2002. Everything sussed out to the point where they were able to make a glossy documentary about it within six months of the actual event. It's a pity the transcript doesn't include the fancy schematics and graphics, but you can't have everything.

[ETA: Quoted by Chipmunk Stew above:Oops, maybe these guys should just have tuned into BBC2....]

So, has anyone asked the CTers what it is about that lot they find so impossible to believe?

Oooooh Nooooo..... They actually admit it....!!!So, the Horizon programme proves the case for the conspiracy!!!!

Or maybe not....It's all in the context.

Oh, but just because we can't quite follow that really fairly simple explanation, and we know nothing at all about structural engineering, and we sort of would have expected the buildings to behave differently if they had suffered nothing but the unprecedented airliner hits, and we note the superficial similarity to buildings brought down by controlled explosions - gosh, it must have BEEN controlled explosions.

No matter how improbable.

Oh, get a life.

Rolfe.

All Y'all:
One other thing ignored by the CT'ers:
Controlled demolitions look like the Towers coming down, not the other way around.
Demolitions experts take advantage of the fact that "that which is unsupported falls down" by doing on purpose exactly what the airplanes did: Weaken the support structure and let physics take over.
And for all the uninitiated: It's Fudds first law of opposition: "If you push something hard enough, it will fall down"
What that doesn't tell you is that you have to push above the center of gravity...

 

[Moochie]

I've seen at least two documentaries that explained very plausibly why the towers collapsed after the damage they sustained from the airplanes. There was no mystery -- no one had ever foreseen them being attacked in that way.

The way they had been constructed aided their eventual collapse.

Simple to prove -- build another tower just like the WTC towers and fly a plane into it.

M.

 

[Gravy]

It's snowing like crazy in New York. Friggin' Global Weathermasters!

 

[hurdygurdy]

You can post the link (I see you have more than 15 posts) you just couldn't post the document itself.

Here you go:

ed2k://|file|BBC%20-%20Horizon%20-%202002-03-07%20-%20The%20Fall%20Of%20The%20World%20Trade%20Centre.avi|378313016|AC6265E66A5F0AE0070F9B2F9F005CC1|/

I've clicked it a few minutes ago, haven't verified it yet.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Here you go:

ed2k://|file|BBC%20-%20Horizon%20-%202002-03-07%20-%20The%20Fall%20Of%20The%20World%20Trade%20Centre.avi|378313016|AC6265E66A5F0AE0070F9B2F9F005CC1|/

I've clicked it a few minutes ago, haven't verified it yet.

You seem to be posting it in a weird way that the board won't accept.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You seem to be posting it in a weird way that the board won't accept.

I think that may be an emule link, not an http link.

 

[ntech]

Yup, Snowing in NYC.... Come spring come....


I spoke with a co-worker who heard from a structural engineer who said that the towers were built to withstand the impact of a jet plane. It did just that extremely well. He went on to say that they completely overlooked the effect of the hell hot fire due to the jet fuel and since the jets had just taken off from Newark with enough fuel to reach the west coast, the fire was tremendously hot. They admit they neglected to look beyond the impact alone.

Sounds just like what happened .............funny thing

 

[Pardalis]

On the alledged false Bin Laden tapes:

1- Everyone seems concern about Bin Laden, but noone seems to have bothered to see if Ayman al-Zawahri seen on his right looks like Ayman al-Zawahri.

2- Avery says in Loose Change that it is against islamic teachings to wear rings. As far as I can tell, so is the murder of thousand of innocent people.