What Penn and Teller Do

Ahh thanks. That makes alot of sense. I don't agree with it of course, but it does fill in alot of empty bits where I didn't know stuff. Some times watching American TV I really wonder how a joe normal with average income (an actual human being who works for their cash) could climb the ladder & be president. There's all this crazy stuff going on with business deals & family & stuff. Clinton just got caught thats all :p
 
DavoMan said:
Thanks for the definitions. It seems you guys are really short on choices for your goverment. To me, it seems you need more political parties. What makes them opposites? Surely there is agreement by the parties on some issues. I mean there is no pure opposite when it comes to social opinion.
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You are 100% correct. This one sums it up- http://www.billstclair.com/luxlucre/Merger.swf
 
Cool I like being 100% correct :) Cheers I will look at that as soon as my computer works again :(
 
For their opponent, they usually find the absolute most extreme camp they can find, a camp that probably represents 10% of the other side of the argument, and they use that as the face of the enemy.
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As much as I like Penn and Teller, this show has failed to live up to its potential. Some episodes are good, while others are horribly slanted. A show exposing superstitions, false beliefs, and quackery is a great idea...but they tackle too many subjects in which there is no simple answer. Unfortunately, that is their modus operandi...to expose the obvious truth and dig out the BS.

They also approach a subject with their minds already made up before the "investigation" begins. Hey, let's show the BS behind recycling! However, they failed to do it convincingly, and their interviews are one-sided and full of ad hominem voiceovers. Is this objective investigation? Hardly...it's entertainment, and as such should stick to subjects that are little less weighty and complex.
 
Well the research is done before the show is filmed. But I agree alot of the episodes are about social opinion rather than fact. I guess it's P&T's show and ******** isnt a very specific definition so the show can be about anything.

Some of the issues aren't quite represented properly. Such as recycling. In America it might be so but in other countries, the factors are very different. Recycling as a word doesnt mean the methods that we use to recycle.

Recycling in general isn't ********. How Americans recycle might be however.
 
CerebralWrestler said:
I just saw that episode Signs From Heaven. Do you know how long I was waiting for someone to say "paredolia"? :)
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I dunno, about as long as i've waited for someone to misspell pareidolia? ;)
 
CerebralWrestler said:
I just saw that episode Signs From Heaven. Do you know how long I was waiting for someone to say "paredolia"? :)
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That episode was good. Didn't know why they banned it though.

And did you realise they sort of cut out a segment that they were supposed to do? They showed a part where they were experimenting on shoppers in a mall with this image, but never really did. Their production has seriously downgraded since that hair episode...and that toilet segment
 
TheBoyPaj said:
Suggesting that the country couldn't survive without [the U.S. Constitution] is a bit like those people who question how one can have any morals if you don't follow the bible's teachings.
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Hence, the danger of the religion known as Americanism.
 
DavoMan said:
Liberalist
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A liberalist comments on liberals. Well known American liberalists include Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh.

Repulican
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A repulican is someone who pules over and over again. "Pule" is a portmanteau word combining "mewl" and "puke," from Shakespeare: "Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms." Well known American repulicans include Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh.
 
DavoMan said:
What happens when you put a pickle up to a wall current? We got 240 volts here in NZ. Muahahaaha.

Anyway. Can someone please explain for me these terms:
Liberalist
Conservative
Repulican
Democrat


I have no idea what they mean when it comes to American political structure. Things are very different in New Zealand.
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It is kind of different over here in America. I'd use the following terms instead:

Democrat
Republican
Progressive
Libertarian

Democrat = Will infringe on social freedoms a little bit in an attempt to create a more politically correct country. However, they will not impose their religion on you. They "support the middle class" and are pro-labor. They do raise taxes because... hey they are the government, they know how to spend your money better than you do.
(note: the traditional "Democrat" is becoming an endangered species)

Republican = Will infringe on social freedoms if you happen to be a homosexual. Will give you an eerie "holier than thou" vibe if you are not a white Protestant. Have shady ties to businesses. However, other than that they support self ownership and private property. They also will lower your taxes.

Progressive = DON'T LET THE NAME FOOL YOU! This term became popular when far-left individuals, who were at the time labeled as 'liberals', wanted to distance themselves from traditional Democrats who were more centrist (especially Bill Clinton) who were also labeled as 'liberals'. They want the government's fingers in every aspect of your life. They support social engineering to create a weirdo utopia society one can only comprehend by spending some time listening to the garbage spewn forth on American college campuses. They will also tax the bejeezus out of you because the more money they make the more they hate you and want to redistrubute it to whomever they so choose.

Libertarian = The ones that make the most sense. Belive that you own your own life. The only function the government has is to stop others from infringing upon your rights.

"fair and balanced" look at American politics.
 
Okay so the most attractive out of those shown is the Liberals. Hmm. If I take your word for it, everybody would vote for liberals. But they dont. So there must be some pros to the other guys.
 
"Okay so the most attractive out of those shown is the Liberals. Hmm. If I take your word for it, everybody would vote for liberals. But they dont. So there must be some pros to the other guys."

Davo,

Did you mean Libertarian? Skepiroth didn't list liberal. The Libertarian party is not one of the two major partys so they get very few votes. Also, I think his "fair and balanced" comment was said tongue in cheek.
 
Davo,

Liberal does not = Libertarian.

I don't really know why Skepiroth listed them like he did. I think you're better off going with Rob Lister's post for an explanation. Basically, we've got two choices here. Democrat (Bill Clinton, Kerry, Jimmy Carter, etc) and Rebublican (Reagan, Bush, Newt Gingrich, and Ahnold). I don't want to derail the thread much more except to say that P&T subscribe to the Libertarian Point of View so considering how many friends they make you can see how many votes they're going to get.
 
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