What is the truther understanding of Radical Islam?

[Civilized Worm]

No follow up attacks? Do you have some sort of memory problem?

Ah but those were follow up false flag attacks!

 

[Mobyseven]

On America?

You little brat. You are aware that there is more to the world than just the big ol' US of A, right? Go take a look at a world map, right now. See that big island to the west of the Pacific and the east of the Indian ocean? That island is called, 'Australia'. People called 'Australians' come from there.

Still looking at the map? Good. From Australia, go a little bit to the north-west, and you should see a collection of islands that together form the country of Indonesia. The island to the west of Java and to the east of Lombok is called 'Bali'. On October 12 2002, 202 people - mostly Australians - were killed in an attack planned and carried out by Islamic extremists.

Do you feel at all humbled yet by your place in the world? Thankful that you live where you do, in your sheltered existence in the USA? You should. Let it be known that there is a whole wide world out there that you have no idea about, and that you should have an idea about.

And people wonder why Americans are often considered self-centred...

 

[stateofgrace]

Rev 911,

If you cannot find a map, feel free to use this one.

It get up dated every 300 seconds and will show you the real world.Just trying to be helpful.

 

[PhantomWolf]

On America?

Why do you think that there should have been a follow up attack yet? (that's not to say they haven't tried, there have been several planned and failed ones since.) The first non-domestic terrorist attack in the US was in 1993 on the WTC. It took another 8 years for the second. At that rate, the next one won't be until 2009.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

General consensus is that Al Qeada are planning a nuclear attack on America. They only plan spectacular attacks on America, to get them running.

If that happens, I cannot see any American supporting further involvement in the Middle East. Which will be a victory for Al Qeada.

 

[leftysergeant]

Does anybody find it surprising that the threat from radical Islam is downplayed by most 911 conspiracy theorists?

I find it edifying. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the twoofers lean heavily on white nationalist sources for their woo. Alex Jones is a supporter of a lot of what William Pierce called "legals' or useful idiots. Chris Bollyn, Darryl Bradford Smith and Jeff Rense have white nationalist/holocaust denier ties. whatreallyhappened,com is heavily slanted to the white nationalist view.

The white nationalists want us to think that the government, rather than al Qaeda did the deed. They may even be providing some sort of support for the next big attack. It would go far toward destroying the confidence that the American people have in government, and make the sheeple more likely to join the WN when they make their move.

I, by contrast understand both white nationalists and Islam, both rational and whacked out. I have even taken the time to read the Quran in several translations. I can't find a thing to justify perpetual jihad.

The right wing radio blathermeisters like Hannity, O'Reilly and Coulter seem to think that one cannot make peace with Muslims at all, and cite 2.s.191 in support of their position, ignoring 2.s.190 and 2.s.192-192, which negate their position.

The Wahabis are an extreme group who have been around for centuries. At the outset, they mostly murdered Shia. Now they are after the culture that they see trying to keep Arabs and other Muslims enslaved and Islam suppressed.

Can't say that we don't occassionally give them good reason. The energy bill that W is pushing Iraq to pass is just another extension of colonialist policies. It is religiously offensive to Arabs to have their resources traded away cheaply when God obviously meant those resources to used for the betterment of all their own people. That's why the top Iraqi religious court issued a fatwa against the measure.

Maybe the idea is that the twoofers have decided "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Osama hates Jews, the driving forces behind the twoofer movement hate Jews.

Do I smell motive to form an alliance?

 

[westprog]

For any truthers still on here, I'd like you to answer, without copy and pasting wiki (I'll know) your understanding of Islamism, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the radical faction that broke away from 'Ignorant' Islam in the post-colonial 50's, changing the original definition of Jihad to something rather different.

Just curious like.

I've never thought about it before, but what would you say Alex Jones' knowledge of this brand of Islam is? Avery's? Bermas'? They have exhaustive knowledge of the names, times, numbers of 'false-flag' events (The false flag event being up for debate is another issue), newspaper articles and so on, but I am slightly concerned that the general consensus stops at 'Nutty man in cave' and the racist impulse towards Muslims blinds you of their competence. Whilst I dont like chaps who murder Humans at rush hour, I found myself angry with Bermas banging on about (In Hardfire) terrorists being 'Low on IQ' who can be infiltrated by FBI agents.

Does this worry JREF friends, and have you come up with any stupidity in the process?

What I often find remarkable is how something like 9/11 didn't happen sooner given the enormity of Islamism.

There's a worldview, not confined to the extremes of the conspiracy theories, in which everything is explained in terms of the USA. If Islamism is real, it was created by US actions. In this view, independent activity around the world is just not relevant. Darfur and Chechnya aren't directly associated with the USA, so they are minor issues.

 

[gumboot]

Ignorance of/denial of Radical Islam is not only a trait found in Conspiracy Theorists. The entire western world is in denial about the existence of Radical Islam. We accept that there are dangerous individual terrorists who commit criminal acts, and even various terrorist groups that these criminals belong to. But the western world still denies that there is an 80+ year old ideology that wants to enslave the world, and employs terrorism as one of its tactics to do so.

For a good handle on Radical Islam and the root causes, as well as the mentioned works, have a look into the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood, and it's off-shoot terrorist networks, have a look into the Muslim Brotherhood document called "The Project", have a look into Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (the Grand Mufti of Palestine) and his interaction with Nazi Germany. Look into the largest division of the Waffen SS - the 13th Handschar. Have a look at prominent figures who crossed the divide between Nazi Germany and Radical Islam including Francois Genoud, Youssef Nada, Ahmed Huber, and the Al Taqwa Bank. Have a look at Ptech a computer company, and take note of their clients. Then have a look at people like Ali Mohammed.

To finish it all off, take a look at the "Dispatches" episode "Undercover Mosque" and get an idea of what is being spread through mainstream mosques in the UK.

Nothing of this has anything to do with colonisation or foreign policy or oil. It's about a desire to enslave the world in a single ideology. It's not new. It's been around for a very long time.

-Gumboot

 

[mjd1982]

Ignorance of/denial of Radical Islam is not only a trait found in Conspiracy Theorists. The entire western world is in denial about the existence of Radical Islam. We accept that there are dangerous individual terrorists who commit criminal acts, and even various terrorist groups that these criminals belong to. But the western world still denies that there is an 80+ year old ideology that wants to enslave the world, and employs terrorism as one of its tactics to do so.

For a good handle on Radical Islam and the root causes, as well as the mentioned works, have a look into the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood, and it's off-shoot terrorist networks, have a look into the Muslim Brotherhood document called "The Project", have a look into Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (the Grand Mufti of Palestine) and his interaction with Nazi Germany. Look into the largest division of the Waffen SS - the 13th Handschar. Have a look at prominent figures who crossed the divide between Nazi Germany and Radical Islam including Francois Genoud, Youssef Nada, Ahmed Huber, and the Al Taqwa Bank. Have a look at Ptech a computer company, and take note of their clients. Then have a look at people like Ali Mohammed.

To finish it all off, take a look at the "Dispatches" episode "Undercover Mosque" and get an idea of what is being spread through mainstream mosques in the UK.

Nothing of this has anything to do with colonisation or foreign policy or oil. It's about a desire to enslave the world in a single ideology. It's not new. It's been around for a very long time.

-Gumboot

Yes, there are strands of Islamism that wish to estabish a Caliphate. However, to brand the entirety of Islamism with this one brush is pretty misguided.

The major strands of what would be deemed Islamism, which stretch from whats happening in Iraq, to Hamas et al in the Middle East, and indeed Aq, are steeped in a hatred for western foreign policy. And, as the 7/7 bombers stated, our politiians are criminals, we voted them in, thus we deserve to die too. (This is, incidentally, a complete replication of what Churchill and FDR stated about the German and Japanese people in 44-45, and is also a mirror of Israeli policy in Palestine, amongst others.)

OBL is the same. He stated that for the US actions in Iraq (sanctions, bombings), Palestine and Saudi, that the US deserved to be punished. And Zawahiri said the same when he stated that all Iraq coalition countries would be attacked unless they pulled out. Hence why the major Islamist movements focus their attacks on countries they feel have wronged them, and why there isnt a WOT in China, Brazil, and other countries that would be attacked were the movement trying to "enslave the world".

I'm sure Ive heard that last phrase on some US radio show...