What is the AGW debate about?

[macdoc]

How long would a 'no trend' have to last for YOU to declare "No A" ?

When the laws of physics governing GHG heat retention are revoked.

Temperature is a minor aspect of energy gain.....

When the net mass of glaciers reverses.

When the animals and plants in the N Hemisphere start moving south and the down slope.
When spring comes later and the Siberian rivers start to reduce in volume instead of increase.

then maybe

I'd not advise holding your breath

 

[casebro]

LOmiller, Don't quibble. Especially when the 30 year figure makes my point even stronger. But read my post again, and try to answer the questions I posed.

 

[Pixel42]

casebro, it would help if you told us where you are getting those numbers from because they do not agree with any of the major data sets.

All the satellite data analyses I've seen show a warming trend. Wiki has a helpful summary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

RSS v3.1 finds a trend of +0.152 °C/decade.[3]

UAH analysis finds +0.12°C/decade.[4]

An alternative adjustment introduced by Fu et al. (2004)[5] finds trends (1979-2001) of +0.19 °C/decade when applied to the RSS data set.[6] A less regularly updated analysis is that of Vinnikov and Grody with +0.20°C per decade (1978–2004).[7], although it must be noted that RSS also has a higher trend when taken only to 2004 (+0.186 °C/decade)

In 1996, Hurrell and Trenberth published in the Journal of Climate an analysis showing a warming trend of +0.18 °C/decade from 1979-1995.[8]

Using the T2 channel (which include significant contributions from the stratosphere, which has cooled), Mears et al. of Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) find (through March 2008) a trend of +0.110 °C/decade.[3] Spencer and Christy of the University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH), find a smaller trend of +0.050 °C/decade.[9]

 

[lomiller]

All the satellite data analyses I've seen show a warming trend.

Same here, but apparently questioning an unsupported assertion that the opposite is true is “quibbling”.

 

[macdoc]

Yeah someone denying warming trends has yet to explain how the known physics of GHG radiation retention which makes the planet habitable has somehow ceased to function......

Downright miraculous I guess they think....

 

[Wangler]

Thanks for the replies and discussion, all!

It confirms my theory about

Al Gore

 

[mhaze]

Oh....who? Oh yeah... I remember that cretin. People joked a lot about him.

 

[BenBurch]

Oh....who? Oh yeah... I remember that cretin. People joked a lot about him.

When you have accomplished 5% as much in your lifetime, maybe then you might have standing to call Vice President Gore a cretin. Maybe.

Mind you, I voted for Harry Browne in 2000, but I still think Gore actually should have been allowed to count the votes in Florida.

 

[Poptech]

When you have accomplished 5% as much in your lifetime, maybe then you might have standing to call Vice President Gore a cretin. Maybe.

You mean get poor grades in school, get high and then drop out of divinity and law school? And finally commit scientific fraud with his science fiction?

The Education of Al Gore (The Washington Times)

Mr. Gore's high school performance on the college board achievement tests in physics (488 out of 800 "terrible," St. Albans retired teacher and assistant headmaster John Davis told The Post) and chemistry (519 out of 800 "He didn't do too well in chemistry," Mr. Davis observed) suggests that Mr. Gore would have trouble with science for the rest of his life. At Harvard and Vanderbilt, Mr. Gore continued bumbling along.

As a Harvard sophomore, scholar Al "earned" a D in Natural Sciences 6 in a course presciently named "Man's Place in Nature." That was the year he evidently spent more time smoking cannabis than studying its place among other plants within the ecosystem. His senior year, Mr. Gore received a C+ in Natural Sciences 118.

At Vanderbilt divinity school, Mr. Gore took a course in theology and natural science. The assigned readings included the apocalyptic, and widely discredited "Limits to Growth," which formed much of the foundation for "Earth in the Balance." It is said that Mr. Gore failed to hand in his book report on time. Thus, his incomplete grade turned into an F, one of five Fs Mr. Gore received at divinity school, which may well be a worldwide record

Dope-Smoking Al Gore Flunked Out of Grad School (NewsMax)
Gore Smoked Pot as Senator, Friend Charges (NewsMax)
'Gore Pressured Me to Lie About His Drug Habit,' Friend Claims (NewsMax)
Gore was avid pot smoker (The Guardian, UK)
Media Bury Gore’s Lies About Pot (Accuracy in Media)

Judge attacks nine errors in Al Gore's 'alarmist' climate change film (Daily Mail, UK)
35 Inconvenient Truths: The errors in Al Gore’s movie (Science & Public Policy Institute)

Mind you, I voted for Harry Browne in 2000, but I still think Gore actually should have been allowed to count the votes in Florida.

Of course you do, you support people who are too stupid to know how to use a voting machine to get their vote changed to whatever they feel like it should have been once they realized the election was close.

 

[Raze]

Where is the option "The debate is about science, policy, and several other things?"

 

[Wangler]

Where is the option "The debate is about science, policy, and several other things?"

Sorry, I realized after making the poll that some other selections should have also been included.