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Beauty is a smile, holding your newborn baby in your arms and receiving their first pasta picture, that is beauty.
This is almost like a trick question. It doesn't have an incorrect
answer, and has multiple meanings to multiple people. For me,
it is a lot like class. You just know it when you see, hear, or feel
it, but it is difficult to define without the use of individual examples.
answer, and has multiple meanings to multiple people. For me,
it is a lot like class. You just know it when you see, hear, or feel
it, but it is difficult to define without the use of individual examples.
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This is almost like a trick question. It doesn't have an incorrect answer and has multiple meanings to multiple people. For me,
it is a lot like class. You just know it when you see, hear, or feel
it, but it is difficult to define without the use of individual examples.
I accept this defition, but surely we could argue that beauty thus does not exist. It certainly cannot exist to the pure materialist. It seems a bit to relative a concept. So, if we agree it doesn't exist, would we agree that it is rendered meaningless?
Flick
it is a lot like class. You just know it when you see, hear, or feel
it, but it is difficult to define without the use of individual examples.
I accept this defition, but surely we could argue that beauty thus does not exist. It certainly cannot exist to the pure materialist. It seems a bit to relative a concept. So, if we agree it doesn't exist, would we agree that it is rendered meaningless?
Flick
For several years I had a goat named Narley. She was an elderly, half blind, artheritic old goat. She was really quite bonded
with me. When I looked at her, I thought she was beautiful. I
loved the old creature.
Now, my sister is wealthy. Material things are important to her.
She called me once after having just bought a new Porshe. She
said she couldn't get over how beautiful it was.
I guess that is an example of what I meant in my earlier post.
with me. When I looked at her, I thought she was beautiful. I
loved the old creature.
Now, my sister is wealthy. Material things are important to her.
She called me once after having just bought a new Porshe. She
said she couldn't get over how beautiful it was.
I guess that is an example of what I meant in my earlier post.
Hellcat said:
That's not beauty, that's different examples of beauty. Why are they beautiful? What makes them appealing? If people can't agree whether or not certain things are beautiful, does that mean beauty is the opinion, or is it something ascribed to the opinion?
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SpaceLord said:
Err, we know. Man, you are so unhip it's a wonder your bum doesn't fall off.
I'm quoting Adams, not Keats. As in Douglas.
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Beauty is subjective to each individual therefore cannot be defined accurately as somebody will always argue against your definition.
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Actually, there is a recent school of thought arising from serious academic research with human subjects which may support the notion that some beauty is in fact innate, and thus not so subjective after all. For instance, there have been studies done at universities during which subjects from various cultures, of various ages, and of various backgrounds tended to pick the same faces--not necessarily of their own race or ethnicity--as ones depicting beauty. The researchers concluded that symmetry in the vertical plane--from left to right--was the single most important factor in determining whether a face is attractive or not, and the degree to which it is attractive. The most beautiful faces tend to be the most symmetrical. Also, the most generic features--those tending towards a norm in size and distance from other features--were universally found to be the most beautiful.
This suggests perhaps that gentle patterns, without abrupt changes, are innately beautiful to humans. It would not be contrary to what we already know about the human brain--that it tends to seek or recognize patterns in any given stimulus, even one which is truly random or chaotic.
Knowing this information, facial images generated completely from scratch, without basing them on any actual human faces, can be created which are reliably found to be beautiful by their intended audiences. We can see an example of this in the computer generated face of Aki in the animated movie feature "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within," or many other animated features, for instance.
Perhaps beauty isn't so subjective after all, at least when it comes to faces.
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This suggests perhaps that gentle patterns, without abrupt changes, are innately beautiful to humans. It would not be contrary to what we already know about the human brain--that it tends to seek or recognize patterns in any given stimulus, even one which is truly random or chaotic.
Knowing this information, facial images generated completely from scratch, without basing them on any actual human faces, can be created which are reliably found to be beautiful by their intended audiences. We can see an example of this in the computer generated face of Aki in the animated movie feature "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within," or many other animated features, for instance.
Perhaps beauty isn't so subjective after all, at least when it comes to faces.
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AmateurScientist said:
I can agree on the symmetry aspect and also add that people do have a tendency to veer towards what they feel is beauty which also hold some aspect of their own features or personal taste.
But again that is subjective to that individual surely?
Did everyone of the test group agree to the same thing?
Do you have a link to this particular study?
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Biker Babe said:
Here's one which mentions some studies briefly which reached different conclusions, but it has some decent discussion about faces and beauty and the possible links to mathematics, symmetry and proportion.
Making Sense of Beauty
It's not really the one I saw on a television documentary, but it's a start if you are interested.
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