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What is a truther?

A truther only stays inside the 911 event they do not branch out as much to other conspiracies.


I've yet to ever see one that did not have multiple other CTs............If its only 911 its only because thats the first symptom to manifest itself. 911 itself is not really important, its the big all powerful controlling "them" that is the real seat of their psychosis. It lets them see order in an random universe. I suspect its similar to the desire for order that many autistic people have and may even be part of the spectrum of Autistic disorders.
 
I don't believe in the label "Truther" personally. It is an oxymoron. The only labels I will use for them are "Twoofer", "Fantasist", "Nutter", "Wacko", etc. If you refer to them as "truthers" without putting quotations around the "truth" portion you are wrong.

twoofers versus twidiots , twaitors and boil-thuckers
 
I've yet to ever see one that did not have multiple other CTs............If its only 911 its only because thats the first symptom to manifest itself. 911 itself is not really important, its the big all powerful controlling "them" that is the real seat of their psychosis. It lets them see order in an random universe. I suspect its similar to the desire for order that many autistic people have and may even be part of the spectrum of Autistic disorders.

Of course I was stating that the word truther is not used outside of the other conspiracies. now I've seen birthers and other things, but Truther word only stays in the 9/11 event. There are some who believe that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by the government, but they do not believe in the imaginative secret society ruling things with unlimited finance and coerce.

I do have a co-worker who believes in 9/11 was an inside job and Kennedy assassination being an inside job, but he just doesn't extend further than that not that I know anyway.
 
Truther is a prejorative to conflate all skepticism toward the official story under a tidy banner that holds the skeptic responsible for any and all assertions by anyone else skeptical of the official story.

Furthermore, labeling is a cheap rhetorical tactic that's rejected in any reputable debate or debate forum, except for jref, apparently.
For once I agree with you. The term Truther really is a disgusting label. It was developed and continues to be widely used by supporters of a 9/11 Truth to identify themselves. Strangely, Truthers on the JREF promote the idea that the label is not related to their beliefs and is instead part of a conspiracy to make fun of them. Given the huge number of pictures, videos, etc of Truthers using this label to describe themselves, I don't know where such a belief could have come from. But then we are talking about deluded people willing to accept the mentally ill as their intellectual colleagues.

Truther Girls conspiracy Youtube videos
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Truther Toys
http://truthertoys.com/home.html
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Are 9/11 truthers extremists?


Abby of Truther.org on Meet The Truthers
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1319725/abby_of_truther_org_on_meet_the_truthers/
 
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What exactly is a truther? From when on can one be called a truther?

A "truther" to me is someone who simply seeks the truth. In the case of 9/11 whether it be the official story or something else, they seek the truth.

It's often said the truth shall set you free. A logical deduction is that lies will enslave you. If 9/11 was a lie, it is certainly enslaving us, and only truth can free us from it.
 
A "truther" to me is someone who simply seeks the truth. In the case of 9/11 whether it be the official story or something else, they seek the truth.

It's often said the truth shall set you free. A logical deduction is that lies will enslave you. If 9/11 was a lie, it is certainly enslaving us, and only truth can free us from it.

Wow. That makes everybody a Truther. Even Noam Chomsky, Richard Dawkins, Marie Curie, maybe even Bill Clinton. It must feel great sharing a label with such illustrious people. Do they have any idea about this?
 
A "truther" to me is someone who simply seeks the truth. In the case of 9/11 whether it be the official story or something else, they seek the truth.

It's often said the truth shall set you free. A logical deduction is that lies will enslave you. If 9/11 was a lie, it is certainly enslaving us, and only truth can free us from it.
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"truthers" and "birthers" are cut from the same defective material.
Ignorant, proud of it, and not willing (or able) to climb out of the CT sewer into reality.
 
A "truther" to me is someone who simply seeks the truth. In the case of 9/11 whether it be the official story or something else, they seek the truth.

It's often said the truth shall set you free. A logical deduction is that lies will enslave you. If 9/11 was a lie, it is certainly enslaving us, and only truth can free us from it.

Couldn't be more wrong.
"Truthers" have zero interest in the truth, based on the fact that whenever they're presented with it, they IGNORE it.
 
It's often said the truth shall set you free. A logical deduction is that lies will enslave you.


No.

This argument implies that if something sets you free, it must be the truth, which is why many CT'ists have an impossible time determining truth from lies (such as the lies promoted in pretty much all YouTube videos). If it sounds like something they agree with, if it implies greater "freedom", it must be the truth, at least to them.

In the real world, truth and lies aren't so black and white, and freedom is rarely dependent on facts, as many incarcerated people will attest.
 
A Truther is someone who advocates the hypothesis that significant aspects (not mere fine details) of the historical narrative of the events of 9/11 have been deliberately (not as a mere result of error or inevitable incompleteness of available information), systematically, and purposefully distorted.

Truthers differ widely on which aspects were distorted, how, by whom, and for what purpose. Therefore, alternative definitions of Truther based on any of those specific beliefs (e.g. believing that the Twin Towers were caused to collapse by explosives or planted incendiaries) are going to be incomplete or inaccurate.

They also differ widely in their behavior, so alternative definitions of Truther based on behaviors are also going to be incomplete or inaccurate.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to become gullible passive consumers of transparently invalid and self-serving arguments served up by a cottage industry of 9/11 fan sites. But most of them do.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to be intellectually dishonest in claiming to be guided to their conclusions by evidence and reasoning while exhibiting obvious double standards, bias, selective attention, and fallacious reasoning at every step. But most of them are.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to hold scientific, engineering, forensic, historical, financial, journalistic and for that matter all forms of expertise whatsoever in contempt. But most of them do.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers' public personas to be smarmy anti-American seditionists. But many of them are.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to cozy up to avowed anti-Semites, or be anti-Semites themselves. But many of them do, and are.

There is nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to also advocate a whole host of other unproven and implausible alternate-history narratives, from Illuminati to moon landing hoax to the latest free energy scam. But most of them do.

These correlations are not coincidences and they have not gone unnoticed. If any Truther theory of 9/11 were actually true, then it could be appreciated and advocated by people who are not anti-intellectual, not gullible or fantasy-prone, not contemptuous of technical expertise, not intellectually dishonest, and not anti-Semitic or anti-American. This is not observed.

What is observed is entirely consistent with Truther theories being wrong. Because they are wrong, they are adopted disproportionately by people prone to the typically observed Truther behaviors, and/or they cause the people who hold them to be drawn to those behaviors as a result of attempting to defend a wrong theory against overwhelming contrary evidence.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
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A truther is an individual that lives inside a fictional construct based on a world view that exists only in popular fiction.
 
To be (very slightly) more serious, I think the OP is asking the wrong question. Consider the following:

Farmer = one who farms
Builder = one who builds
Truther = one who truths

The question you should be asking is "When 'truth' is used as a verb, what does it mean?"
 
It's often said the truth shall set you free. A logical deduction is that lies will enslave you.

This is a perfect example of the logical fallacy known as denying the antecedent. It has the form:

If P, then Q.
Not P.
Therefore, not Q.

The inability to draw correct logical deductions is another classic characteristic of truthers.

Dave
 
Also valid descriptions of of the deceitful, lying, mentally ill individuals consumed by paranoia also known as "Truth"ers.

Absolutely spot on,calling their cult and their mindless drones truth and truthers is an insult to the english language. i prefer "twoofers" and their lying conmen leaders are "twoof fairies" because they spout fairytales.
if i could, the twoof fairies would be flogged by a cat-of-nine tails and then jailed with lifers, they prey on "gullible" people and extract money from them, and laugh about it.
for the twoof fairies, NO PRISONERS!!! NO PRISONERS!!!
 
Truther is a prejorative to conflate all skepticism toward the official story under a tidy banner that holds the skeptic responsible for any and all assertions by anyone else skeptical of the official story.

Furthermore, labeling is a cheap rhetorical tactic that's rejected in any reputable debate or debate forum, except for jref, apparently.

Do you know of any other debate forums that frown more heavily on
these tactics than JREF? Serious question, btw.
 
A Truther is someone who advocates the hypothesis that significant aspects (not mere fine details) of the historical narrative of the events of 9/11 have been deliberately (not as a mere result of error or inevitable incompleteness of available information), systematically, and purposefully distorted.

Truthers differ widely on which aspects were distorted, how, by whom, and for what purpose. Therefore, alternative definitions of Truther based on any of those specific beliefs (e.g. believing that the Twin Towers were caused to collapse by explosives or planted incendiaries) are going to be incomplete or inaccurate.

They also differ widely in their behavior, so alternative definitions of Truther based on behaviors are also going to be incomplete or inaccurate.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to become gullible passive consumers of transparently invalid and self-serving arguments served up by a cottage industry of 9/11 fan sites. But most of them do.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to be intellectually dishonest in claiming to be guided to their conclusions by evidence and reasoning while exhibiting obvious double standards, bias, selective attention, and fallacious reasoning at every step. But most of them are.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to hold scientific, engineering, forensic, historical, financial, journalistic and for that matter all forms of expertise whatsoever in contempt. But most of them do.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers' public personas to be smarmy anti-American seditionists. But many of them are.

There's nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to cozy up to avowed anti-Semites, or be anti-Semites themselves. But many of them do, and are.

There is nothing in the definition that requires Truthers to also advocate a whole host of other unproven and implausible alternate-history narratives, from Illuminati to moon landing hoax to the latest free energy scam. But most of them do.

These correlations are not coincidences and they have not gone unnoticed. If any Truther theory of 9/11 were actually true, then it could be appreciated and advocated by people who are not anti-intellectual, not gullible or fantasy-prone, not contemptuous of technical expertise, not intellectually dishonest, and not anti-Semitic or anti-American. This is not observed.

What is observed is entirely consistent with Truther theories being wrong. Because they are wrong, they are adopted disproportionately by people prone to the typically observed Truther behaviors, and/or they cause the people who hold them to be drawn to those behaviors as a result of attempting to defend a wrong theory against overwhelming contrary evidence.

Respectfully,
Myriad

that is nice definition of truther.
 
A Truther is someone who advocates the hypothesis that significant aspects (not mere fine details) of the historical narrative of the events of 9/11 have been deliberately (not as a mere result of error or inevitable incompleteness of available information), systematically, and purposefully distorted.

The OP was seeking a serious definition of a truther and this is very good but I would state it more simply and refine it slightly.

A truther is someone who believes we don't know or have not yet been told the complete truth about the events of 9/11, specifically the truth about who was ultimately responsible for the attacks and, if the U.S. government had foreknowledge of the attacks, the truth about why the government did not or could not prevent the attacks.

I would disagree with Myraid that a belief that the 9/11 narrative has been systematically and purposefully distorted is essential to the definition.

I realize my definition is rather broad and would include people who would not normally be labeled as truthers but I think it is a more workable and inclusive definition. It would allow the inclusion of people who reject the inside job hypothesis but still believe the government is still covering up the "truth" (whatever that might evenually be) about 9/11.
 

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