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What is a bully?

I've no way of knowing the accuracy of the source provided, because the source offers only one citation for the assertions, and that poorly. It gives no date for the study, no author(s), and not even a link to the proper study so the reader can examine it for him/herself.

The source is sketchy, in and of itself. I don't trust it. Chakras? Really? :rolleyes: Perhaps you could find a more reliable, more informative source and cite that, instead.

My personal experience, both in childhood, and in motherhood, suggests that the number is extremely variable, and a percentage can only be approximated. Any child, even a bullied child, can act as a bully.

What do you think the numbers are. Of the 60 males in my high school class, I'm sure at least 10 were bullies or their 'leutenants'. However, my advanced classe had no bullies. We were the top 25% of the students. There may have been a couple of 'leutenants', but without the bullies, they were meek. I had no negatives with the woman either. I was also a fair wrestler. So in high school, I didn't know any bullies. I don't think there were any/many in my engineering classes. When I started working, I encountered a few; a higher percentage. In ROTC, I met a few. I'm sure the percentage in my training at Fort Devens was at least 15%.

My experience is that the general population has a bully rate of 1/6 or 15%. In most of the areas where I've worked or went to school that number was close to zero. I'm sure it's at least 15% on the internet. Sometimes it seems like it's 100%
 
What do you think the numbers are.

I didn't open this thread or start this topic. If you have a point to make, gather your own proper data from proper sources, and make it. Unless, of course, you don't care if your data is taken seriously or not, and in that case, why bother opening a thread?

I don't need these numbers. I've as yet no point to support or refute with them.

This isn't my argument; it's yours. Do you intend to make it? I'm not here to do it for you.




Of the 60 males in my high school class, I'm sure at least 10 were bullies or their 'leutenants'. However, my advanced classe had no bullies. We were the top 25% of the students. There may have been a couple of 'leutenants', but without the bullies, they were meek. I had no negatives with the woman either. I was also a fair wrestler. So in high school, I didn't know any bullies. I don't think there were any/many in my engineering classes. When I started working, I encountered a few; a higher percentage. In ROTC, I met a few. I'm sure the percentage in my training at Fort Devens was at least 15%.

Okay. Those are your experiences, as far as I know. They have relevance to you, and they seem to support the data you mined from the OP link. But there's no way for me to know if they happened or if you're inventing them to shore up your argument. So really, they don't count for that.

Now, have you any actual data, from actual peer-reviewed sources and studies? Anything aside from what Deepak Nutbar quote-mined without sourcing? I won't accept his numbers, therefore your numbers, because of that poor sourcing. Got any real food?

My experience is that the general population has a bully rate of 1/6 or 15%. In most of the areas where I've worked or went to school that number was close to zero. I'm sure it's at least 15% on the internet. Sometimes it seems like it's 100%

Okay. When you can avoid situations in which you're likely to be bullied, I'd suggest avoiding them. When you can't avoid the situation, such as having to attend school, then you should have a power system in place you can access that will help protect everyone, and assist everyone in healthy development--even the bullies.

You've said you're a grown-up. Bullying in childhood is largely about power, both real and perceived. Going onto the internet and voluntarily interacting with the strangers you find there is largely in your control. You have the power. You can leave.

So. What's your point again? Afraid I'm not seeing it. Can we have a premise or two, and a conclusion to chew on?
 
In my experience, bullies become pathetic losers who realize that they had no real power when the object of their bullying chooses to ignore them. Just like I am about to do right now. Bye, troll.
 
What do you think of the link to the Characteristics of a bully?
Do you think bullies precipitated any of the 59 School shootings that have happened in the last 15 years?

Would being surrounded by bullies 24-7 make someone snap?
Is humor a sign of someone that is NOT a bully?
Do you think people like Simon Cowell are enablers for bullies?

Please follow the member rules and stick to the subject.

A bully is a person who uses fear, intimidation or violence to control the behaviour of another person against their will, and gains pleasure from doing so.

In my experience bullies are generally emotionally insecure and afraid.

Yes, being bullied can push a person to the point where they will snap and lash out. I don't know if that's contributed to school shootings in the past, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it had at least been a factor in many of them.

No, humour isn't a sign that somebody is not a bully. On the contrary, many bullies find the torment they inflict on others very funny indeed.

I don't think Simon Cowell is really a bully; what he does is consensual, for one. His purpose is also not to control, and I don't think he does what he does because it gives him pleasure to hurt people's feelings. He does it for ratings and money.
 
I didn't open this thread or start this topic. If you have a point to make, gather your own proper data from proper sources, and make it. Unless, of course, you don't care if your data is taken seriously or not, and in that case, why bother opening a thread?

From Wikipedia:

Brainstorming has become a popular group technique and has aroused attention in academia. Multiple studies have been conducted to test Osborn’s postulation that brainstorming is more effective than individuals working alone in generating ideas .

Some people think Brainstorming works. Do you? Can you contribute to trying to find and answer about the effects of bullying?
 
A bully is a person who uses fear, intimidation or violence to control the behaviour of another person against their will, and gains pleasure from doing so.

In my experience bullies are generally emotionally insecure and afraid.

Yes, being bullied can push a person to the point where they will snap and lash out. I don't know if that's contributed to school shootings in the past, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it had at least been a factor in many of them.

No, humour isn't a sign that somebody is not a bully. On the contrary, many bullies find the torment they inflict on others very funny indeed.

I don't think Simon Cowell is really a bully; what he does is consensual, for one. His purpose is also not to control, and I don't think he does what he does because it gives him pleasure to hurt people's feelings. He does it for ratings and money.

I wonder if others didn't think it was cool to bully people after watching Simon. All you need is ten million people immitating Simon a hundred times and the world becomes a tad more miserable.
 
Can someone on an internet forum really be bullied when he/she has the option to simply ignore posts that he/she finds upsetting, especially considering that all parties know virtually nothing about one another's identities?

One loses a little faith in the capacity and compassion of his fellow man. That's not good in the long run.
 
One loses a little faith in the capacity and compassion of his fellow man. That's not good in the long run.

Only if one has faith that everyone is above such behavior. If one understands that some people behave poorly, then there is no disappointment.

But you haven't really addressed my question: Can one really be bullied on a public forum when he/she can simply ignore those members who are perceived to be offensive? A bully needs to have some measure of power over a target. It seems to me that the only way that situation could arise on an internet forum (even one that is not as conscientiously moderated as this one) is to give that power to the perceived bully.
 
From Wikipedia:



Some people think Brainstorming works. Do you? Can you contribute to trying to find and answer about the effects of bullying?


Oh, you didn't ask me to be part of a task force on bullying, that's different.

No, thanks. I can't begin to tell you what would stop it, and since my actions would be limited to verbal fapping on a forum, I don't see what good it will do for actual problems.

Have fun, though.

Oh, and also noted is you didn't address a single point I made, nor have you come up with any sources. Avoidance noted.
 
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Only if one has faith that everyone is above such behavior. If one understands that some people behave poorly, then there is no disappointment.

But you haven't really addressed my question: Can one really be bullied on a public forum when he/she can simply ignore those members who are perceived to be offensive? A bully needs to have some measure of power over a target. It seems to me that the only way that situation could arise on an internet forum (even one that is not as conscientiously moderated as this one) is to give that power to the perceived bully.

We all know the expression "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me." Every school child knows that rhyme. Some are hurt by it and some aren't.

But what if the lack of sentient though that goes into some remarks makes the person that hears such remarks conclude that that group of people is adding nothing to society and that he isn't superior? Isn't this Narcissism (not a good thing) Insults can cut both ways. The hearer of the insult can either believe them and think they are true, or he can believe that the insult is so stupid that his is highly superior to the bully and not care what the bully feels because he is sub human and worthless.

What's worse, to think that the bully and his friends are uncaring idiots or to believe that you are inferior? Both are bad. One way your faith in humanity - your allies - is destroyed. The other way your faith in yourself is destroyed.

There two other options. One can run away and live on a mountaintop as the Buddhists do, or one can fight. This is the classic delema of whether to take flight or fight. If one takes flight, with a lowered trust in humanity, he might believe that the insults will continue behind his back and things will get worse as he concludes that others are not able to differentiate between truth and mud.

I was trained to be like a Buddhist, but my ancestors were fighters that started the first hostilities of the Revolutionary war against the British. Can't say anymore about that and still remain anonymous. Perhaps you can take the dog out of the fight, but you can't take the fight out of the dog.
 
Okay, I don't know about the credibility of the claims in the OP link, but I am rather familiar with bullying on a first-hand basis.

First of all, there is a world of difference between the bullies who gang up on someone to say mean things and exclude, and the bullies who stalk, intimidate, and assault their targets. Perhaps not in psychological motivations, but definitely in how it affects the victim, and what tactics are likely to work.

For instance, the advice I nearly always heard first from counselors, teachers, and psychologists was to simply ignore them. For a number of bullies, this worked great. They went up to me, saying things, trying to provoke me, and when they saw I was nonplussed throughout the whole recess period, they hardly bothered me again.

Then, there were bullies who, if they failed to provoke you, would continually try, getting increasingly vicious and increasingly physical. They would not leave you alone until you reacted, and they won. But, if your reaction was to show them up, they left you alone, knowing you weren't to be messed with, that you weren't a weakling who would just take whatever they dished. The reaction they sought wasn't just that their words/actions were hurting you, but that they felt power just by the fact that you would let them walk all over you.

One bully when I was in third grade, my first interaction with him was when I was walking to a particular station in the classroom to get some supplies, and on my way there, I noticed this kid's pencil had fallen to the ground. I picked it up and gave it to him, and he growled at me, snatching it angrily from my hand. I didn't think much of it, that he probably felt I was threatening his independence/boyness by picking it up for him, or just having a bad day. Months pass, and I see he has one of my favorite cartoon characters on the folder he's using. I say, "Oh, that's cool, I like that show." He frowns at me.

A week later, he's messing around squishing bugs, and I say, "Why are you hurting the bugs? They aren't doing anything to you." He and his friend, predictably, find this funny and get bits of dirt in their hand and spit in it, to try to freak me out by showing me "bug guts" and by tricking me into reacting over nothing. I saw through this instantly and just kept dryly saying, "I know you're just spitting into your hand." "You're idiots if you think that's fooling anyone." I walked away from their shenanigans, and within a minute, he's jumped onto my back, hands around my throat, kicking at my back. I try to get him off me by poking at his eyes, when he bites my hand, and I pass out.

When I came to, the yard duties were starting to walk out, to yell at me (I often daydreamed during recess and failed to notice the bell going off, so there were times they had to come get me and tell me it was over.) I got up and started off toward them to tell what happened, but they thought I was making excuses. I started to tell my fellow classmates what he had done, lined up before the teacher got there (I stood outside of the line, so that I wouldn't have my back to them - his last name starts on a later letter than mine). He denied it in that phony, bad-liar way they always do, and when the teacher came to class, she started lecturing me for not being in line, and gave me a punishment for the day, her only comment on what I was saying that it was a he-said/she-said, and she would hear about it later.

When I tried to talk about it, nothing happened, so I went to the principal, who tried to appease me without doing anything and sending me on my merry way, but I saw through that and told my dad, and it was when he met with the principal, they agreed to give him a week to sit by the fence on the playground for a week. I thought that was a stupid punishment, since his other friends were all in that punishment, too (it was a frequent punishment, where a group of kids always were there, every other week or so), and they would mock me as I walked in and out of recess, as they were stationed right by the entrance. During that week and the next, my throat was hoarse, like I had a cold.

Sometimes, it is plainly that the bully has serious issues, whether it's a serious mental illness or abuse or something. But the answer then is to give them counseling, and notify authorities when there's evidence of abuse/neglect, instead of just counseling the victims about how to cope with it.

When I was 13, there was a situation where it was a very gradual escalation. I learned after ignoring them for several straight months and things escalating to violence, that my only way to manage the situation was to engage in the insulting banter, maintaining a demeanor of jovial ribbing, keeping the joking manner but sharping the insults to be more slicing, and to be witty enough to get them to think it over before realizing, but not so witty that it would go over their head.

The insults themselves did not affect me, particularly since I had no interest in interacting socially with such willful ignoramuses, caring only for my studies of calculus and physics, getting as close to ignoring the regular school work and my fellow students as I could, with a few exceptions. Mostly it was the girls who maintained the rumor machine, which I paid only the barest attention to, in order to alert me to when the attacks would come more harshly or more frequently, but I had removed myself from socializing with peers beyond the minimum required since the first grade, when I realized that few six-year-olds shared my interests in plane geometry, education reform, science fiction of the 60s and 70s, progressive rock, and arachnology, and I had little to no interest in the things they liked, apart from cartoons. They liked cars, but just to play with them, not to talk about the engines and models and stuff.

So it has been pretty easy for me to ignore most of the verbal bullying. But getting attacked is not only something that is difficult to ignore, but it is something no one ought to ignore. When things go beyond getting splashed with water, having your desk shaken, getting tripped, shouted in your ear, assignments stolen, locker broken into, assignments sabotaged - that stuff is like stage II bullying, or something. This is more like stage IV or V. But it was treated more like stage I - more like the typical taunts and stuff that most people have to go through at some time or another.

I certainly made a fairly good target, in this way. Not only did I stand out physically and mentally (I was tall and slightly overweight, and spoke using the full extent of my vocabulary up until I was around 12 1/2 and got used to speaking with the more casual vernacular), but when I was younger I would cry if only a little bit hurt. But insults from peers I didn't respect (AKA most) meant nothing to me, nor did praise from the same. Whereas I would become deeply sad if someone I respected, like my dad, said I had done something wrong.

The move had been a big deal, since I am autistic and hated the change - when I was in kindergarten I had climbed the hierarchy of a big group of boys who were in a project to dig to the bottom of the sandbox by convincing the others to try my way, which worked since I had an intuitive grasp of the physics involved and was one of a few kindergarteners in a first grade combination class, but when we moved I was one of six first graders in a kindergarten class, and I was really slow at writing the letters, insisted on completing the projects I began, was highly emotionally reactive, and had poor phonological awareness.

So, I never considered the idea of me ever being popular as even remotely likely. So it really bothered me when the counselor would say, "You know, they wouldn't be picking on you if you weren't (X weird thing)." I would say, "Yeah, I get that - I never asked to be popular. But I do demand my basic right to a safe education as a student, as an American, and as a human being be respected, just as the school rules, the state educational code, and the Constitution of the United States have promised."

Ideally, I would've just left the school and started at the community college, if I had known that option was available, though I did miss sixty-one days of school not counting the times I skipped classes in the middle of the day. But I thought it was either private school (couldn't afford) or public, and the private school probably wouldn't have been much more rigorous, but they would have the ability to kick out problem students (unless their parents were major donors or connected to the school somehow...)

The biggest problem I see in how schools deal with bullies is they, IME, take the established guidelines for a common situation, and try to apply it to lots of different situations where it may not be the best advice. They don't really modify the approach unless the situation is plainly on the extreme end of things, and in my own experience, the most extreme times were met with approaches that did not differ from how they'd treat swearing at a teacher. Their faces got that serious look, and that little hushed sigh of concern before going into the standard "I hear your pain" psycho-pablum voice.

My dad taught me when I was eight, that if someone hit me, I ought to hit back, do anything I needed to get them away and get out of there, that I shouldn't hold back on retaliating just because I'd get in the same amount of trouble as the assaulter. As it turned out, even more punishment than the original assaulter was pretty common.

I wanted to exact some kind of revenge on the worst offenders, and planned elaborate revenge fantasies, but although I would have felt no remorse killing the worst two who had put me under threat of death, I never considered going through with it in real life, because being put on trial for killing a bully when no one believed they did what they did, and those who do did everything they could to discount your credibility, would have been the ultimate in secondary wounding.

Also, the Columbine case which is often trotted out for the "they'll snap and kill everyone" trope, from what I know Harris and Klebold were not poor, bullied outcasts. They were bullies themselves, more than the victims of bullies retaliating. I was ten when that happened, and the people at school, when making fun of me, say, "What are you going to do? Shoot us all like Columbine?" I could just roll my eyes and wonder how stupid you would have to be to suggest that the person you bully imitate someone who actually shot up a bunch of people at school. "Watch your back."

Also, this "zero tolerance" policy is crap. The people you end up punishing with it are the people drawing pictures of shooting people (which should certainly get the attention of the psychologist to make sure they aren't actually dangerous/disturbed, but unconditional expulsion is a little extreme), wearing clothes that still have a pocketknife from a fishing trip, and the people who defend themselves from violence the school officials don't do anything about. We need students to know who they can contact about this stuff when they can't turn to their school officials or their parents.

Like a way to go straight to the police, or counseling centers, particularly for people who are less worldly (like a socially retarded person such as myself) and may not have the wherewithal to walk straight to the police department, so they stay in the office where they begin to buy the lies they are fed that they would be doing damage if they told their parents, that their parents would view them as damaged and at fault, being groomed to fulfill the sick kicks their sociopathic counselor gets from this manipulative relationship. When you punish someone all their life whenever they take the initiative to get something done every time they go through all the official channels, you squelch the belief that these official channels are ever good for anything. Maybe one of those hotlines they have, or something.
 
What's worse, to think that the bully and his friends are uncaring idiots or to believe that you are inferior? Both are bad. One way your faith in humanity - your allies - is destroyed. The other way your faith in yourself is destroyed.
False dichotomy. There are many more options available. For example one can simply accept that some individuals are not going to behave in a certain manner and that this is a reflection of their own immaturity, emotional trauma, frustration, etcetera, and that this has nothing to do with oneself. One can think that someone is a jerk without feeling any loss of self esteem or that said person is "sub human and worthless".

But getting back to the specific question that I was addressing:

"Can someone on the internet really defend themselves against a gang of annonymous posters/bullies?"

It depends. Is the person who feels bullied anonymous as well? If the answer is yes, then the only way someone in that situation could be bullied in any way is if he/she facilitated such a relationship by reacting to the behavior that causes such offense. I must admit that I am at a loss to understand why someone would want to do such a thing.
 
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The move had been a big deal, since I am autistic and hated the change - when I was in kindergarten I had climbed the hierarchy of a big group of boys who were in a project to dig to the bottom of the sandbox by convincing the others to try my way, which worked since I had an intuitive grasp of the physics involved and was one of a few kindergarteners in a first grade combination class, but when we moved I was one of six first graders in a kindergarten class, and I was really slow at writing the letters, insisted on completing the projects I began, was highly emotionally reactive, and had poor phonological awareness.

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The biggest bullies are usually the kids that are themselves struggling. They might be pretending to be someone else when they do their bullying. Because they are pretending, they think you aren't real, but just part of the act. If you're just an actor in their play of life, they believe they can't hurt you.

But people are people. They have feelings. They get annoyed, hurt and upset. Some get more upset than others. That's why it's a lot better to interact with people in person. You can see them studder, or their eyes water. You can read them and back off.

My lawyer told me that I should always see people in person and never over the phone. I think that's good advice for all of us.

Anyway, nice to hear from you. Nice post.
 
False dichotomy. There are many more options available. For example one can simply accept that some individuals are not going to behave in a certain manner and that this is a reflection of their own immaturity, emotional trauma, frustration, etcetera, and that this has nothing to do with oneself. One can think that someone is a jerk without feeling any loss of self esteem or that said person is "sub human and worthless".

But getting back to the specific question that I was addressing:

"Can someone on the internet really defend themselves against a gang of annonymous posters/bullies?"

It depends. Is the person who feels bullied anonymous as well? If the answer is yes, then the only way someone in that situation could be bullied in any way is if he/she facilitated such a relationship by reacting to the behavior that causes such offense. I must admit that I am at a loss to understand why someone would want to do such a thing.

It's best to ignore the insults and reply to the sentient posts.

My button is that I think certain insults are so massively stupid, that it lowers my hope for all mankind.

Once I prayed to God and asked "Is mankind going to survive". Later in the night I had the most unusual dream I've ever had. I was at a door looking through the glass at some deceased relatives. Then a trememdous warmth permeated my whole body. I heard this voice that said: "It isn't your time yet, but in answer to your question, mankind has to learn more."

It doesn't matter whether it was my subconscious telling me that mankind would surely go extinct if he didn't start learning or whether it was a god. No matter which way that message came, I believe it to be the truth. I get very upset when people don't learn.
 
This quote is from the link provided in the OP:

Do you think this is true?
Do bullies form gangs?

Of course. Actually, sometimes those who would otherwise be the target of bullies can often congregate around the biggest bully available for protection. Take the bully out of the situation and they often get the crap knocked out of them by the target of the bullying. I've seen this happen, actually. More than once.
 
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Of course. Actually, sometimes those who would otherwise be the target of bullies can often congregate around the biggest bully available for protection. Take the bully out of the situation and they often get the crap knocked out of them by the target of the bullying. I've seen this happen, actually. More than once.

I've held my own with bullies too starting with the third grade. A guy a head taller than myself grabbed me by the coat lapels in the woods. I thought quickly about what my hero Roy Rogers would do. So I told him that I was going to hit him on the count of three if he didn't let me go. Well, perhaps all bullies are rather dim, because he didn't let me go before I said three. So with his hands still grabbing my lapels, my small third grade sized fist slammed into his jaw.

After I re-adjusted my coat and walked a hundred yards closer to school, I looked back to see him still sitting on the ground looking quite dazed.

Ya, I've been the victim of bullies and I've beaten a few in my life. I've held up, but I'm wondering how some have done who've been exposed to even more persistent bullying.

This thread wasn't supposed to be about me. The OP questions are still not answered. Maybe I'll have to read the book: 'Columbine'. Bullies have always fascinated me because I've never understood how they think.
 
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Can someone on an internet forum really be bullied when he/she has the option to simply ignore posts that he/she finds upsetting, especially considering that all parties know virtually nothing about one another's identities?

Yes, one can always stop being aware of what a bully is doing by ignoring posts, but that doesn't necessarily stop the bully's activities, which can come around other ways. For example, I've seen bullies continue their attacks on others, until it's considered the cool thing to do on a forum, a running joke, and "everybody" either participates, tip toes around the situation to avoid becoming the next target, or goes to another forum where there's better moderation. An ignore button does nothing in that case, unless one ignores half the forum.

So then, there's always the option for the victim to simply leave that online place and interact elsewhere instead. But then, one could ask, can someone in a school really be bullied when he/she has the option to simply request transfer to another school?

Sometimes, people don't want to be forced to leave a community where they're otherwise accepted or would like to be accepted, simply because a bully has targetted them.

Aside from potentially ineffective defenses like appealing for better moderation or legal remedies, seems to me the best defense against online bullying is the same as in-person bullying--make the bully decide to choose an easier target. The ethical problem is that it doesn't stop the bully, only shifts the burden to someone else, who isn't as able to defend themselves verbally. I've done it, it works, but it's still not a solution to the problem overall, only to one's particular problem.
 
What do you think of the link to the Characteristics of a bully?
Do you think bullies precipitated any of the 59 School shootings that have happened in the last 15 years?

Would being surrounded by bullies 24-7 make someone snap?
Is humor a sign of someone that is NOT a bully?
Do you think people like Simon Cowell are enablers for bullies?

Please follow the member rules and stick to the subject.

I am going to address the school shootings part of your post. I don't know all of the stories but my understanding of a few of school shooting/killings leads me to believe it was not as cut and dry as poor bullying victim snaps and kills students.

The most popular being Columbine, Dylan Klebold was obviously the liutenant and quite possibly could have been a victim of bullying who latched on to Eric Harris. According to the timeline, he moved around a lot, which denied him the ability to make lasting relationships with peers. This may have caused him to never really learn how to associate and make friends, making him an easy target for teasing and the perfect sidekick. Eric Harris, on the other hand, does not quite fit with the classic case of an innocent victim of bullying who snapped.

It's impossible to diagnose a dead person but according to the experts who viewed their journals, Eric Harris showed classic signs of sociopathy. That is not something that just develops over night. Typically, the symptoms start to show in preadolescence, as ODD. If left untreated or with unsuccessful treatment, it progresses into Conduct Disorder, which again, untreated or unsuccessful treatment, may progress into antisocial behavior.

According to their journals, those boys perceived themselves as victims of bullying. They had violent revenge fantasies about their classmates. However, a persecution complex is not uncommon in budding sociopaths. They often behave far outside the norm, bring negative attention on to themselves and when they are called on it, believe themselves to be the targets of bullying, when it's not likely the case. Students may tease and ostracize them but more often, they are the instigators rather than the victims. Simply put, it is not likely that school bullying was the cause of Columbine. I am quite sure that if you were to look at the history of the pers of all the school shootings/killings, a good portion of them would also have a history of behavioral problems.

I just want to make it clear that I am NOT saying that victims of bullying are mental defects that bring it on to themselves. I am specifically addressing the notion that school shootings/killings are caused by bullying.
 
In my experience, bullies become pathetic losers who realize that they had no real power when the object of their bullying chooses to ignore them. Just like I am about to do right now. Bye, troll.
Not all of them. Two of the worst bullies I ever knew in my life aren't in that category. One was vice president of ITT and the other is part owner of a welding company.
 

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