What Howard Dean will cost you.

Roadtoad said:



As far as Dean's offering up of more, better, and better paying jobs, I'd like to see how he plans to do that. Like most candidates, he's fuzzy on the actual mechanics of such a move.
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I was still in high school when Bush I vs. Clinton happened. They both made campaign promises about "millions of new jobs". And of course it was complete and utter horse ◊◊◊◊◊. The only job a president can create is in his staff.

Al Gore made one of these bogus jobs claims in the last election and if I was a betting man I would say Bush II did also.
 
corplinx said:


I was still in high school when Bush I vs. Clinton happened. They both made campaign promises about "millions of new jobs". And of course it was complete and utter horse ◊◊◊◊◊. The only job a president can create is in his staff.

Al Gore made one of these bogus jobs claims in the last election and if I was a betting man I would say Bush II did also.
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I think Clinton would have like a few million ....jobs in his White House
 
corplinx said:


I was still in high school when Bush I vs. Clinton happened. They both made campaign promises about "millions of new jobs". And of course it was complete and utter horse ◊◊◊◊◊. The only job a president can create is in his staff.

Al Gore made one of these bogus jobs claims in the last election and if I was a betting man I would say Bush II did also.
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This was the great trick of the Clinton economic miracle. By supporting free trade and a lower cost for consumer goods, Clinton boosted the low wage jobs at the cost of high wage jobs. Get rid of two million $15 an hour jobs. Create three million $9 an hour jobs. Presto! A million new jobs! It looks good on paper as new jobs are created and unemployment stays fairly steady, keeping the stock market happy. But over the long term, this sort of thing has led to violent armed revolutions.
Reagan did it. Bush 1.0 did it. Clinton did it. Dubya is trying to do it, but isn’t doing too well.
This is exactly the type of garbage Carter was trying to warn us about in his “malaise” speech…
 
corplinx said:


I was still in high school when Bush I vs. Clinton happened. They both made campaign promises about "millions of new jobs". And of course it was complete and utter horse ◊◊◊◊◊. The only job a president can create is in his staff.

Al Gore made one of these bogus jobs claims in the last election and if I was a betting man I would say Bush II did also.
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He did, actually. And I didn't believe it then, either.

Sure, you can create jobs, but the problem is that they have to actually pay a wage worth earning. And further, it helps if there's something to keep you going, such as the possibility of promotions, wage increases, better health care down the road...

For the most part, most of our presidents have had little, if any, experience in the business world, (and yes, I would actually include GW, simply because he never actually started and ran a succesful business, to the best of my knowledge). The last person of that ilk was Harry Truman, if I recall correctly, and he was a haberdasher. For the most part, we've been led by lawyers who haven't really had to build a real business from scratch, such as a retail store, or a financial institution. (Sorry if that offends, I'm not trying to.)

You cannot create jobs if you're the President. You can only influence the factors that lead to job growth. Frankly, I'd rather be able to start my own BUSINESS, instead of finding another f***ing job.

(No, do NOT ask how my day went...!)
 
Evolver said:


I think Clinton would have like a few million ....jobs in his White House
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Well, it's an established fact that Clinton had quite a few people working on his staff.
 
Now is the extra $1190 more because hes going to reverese the Bush tax cuts? Returning you to prior GW tax status.

The spin is that hes going to shoot up taxes and as a democrat spend all the money on social programs. I dont thinkthats a fair spin, after all does $90 Billion to Iraq count as a "social program".
 
Tmy said:
Now is the extra $1190 more because hes going to reverese the Bush tax cuts? Returning you to prior GW tax status.

The spin is that hes going to shoot up taxes and as a democrat spend all the money on social programs. I dont thinkthats a fair spin, after all does $90 Billion to Iraq count as a "social program".
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Part of it, if I recall correctly, (and yes, I'm doing this without going back to the site and rereading the info), is not only the reversal of Bush's cuts, but an additional increase of around 5% in my tax bracket. So, yes, it's a bit of both.

I don't think $90 Billion to Iraq is a "Social Program," but that doesn't necessarily make it a good move. For the most part, it's as if we're trying to buy Iraq off. "Please be nice to us. We're being nice to you."

The short of it: Yes, I think you're right. It's not a fair spin.
 
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