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What has happened to the UK

He was also breaking the conditions of his suspended sentence from the last time he did it.
That is contempt of court.


Police and Judges take it very seriously when you ignore the conditions of your sentence.
He was taken back before the judge and put in to custody.

When he comes out he will be on license and if he does it again before the license expires he will be whisked back inside again.

He is doing it to get arrested, he makes sure his cronies are there to video it all and make a fuss. 'Help I'm being repressed' He is a Nazi **** stirrer.

Bingo.

I'm not in the UK s as far as ordering the press not to report on it that's a wrinkle I'm unfamiliar with, but judges everywhere are usually pretty happy to order someone into custody for contempt - moreso if it involves a public offense and not just acting the fool in court.
 
I don't know about marginalized. Robinson was held captive by an illegitimate government act.

No, he had been found guilty of interfering with a trial. there are still several ongoing linked trials. His actions put them at risk of being declared mistrials.
His actions identified members of a jury and they came under pressure via emails, tweets and facebook postings from his supporters.

He was given a suspended sentence rather than being sent direct to prison.
That came with conditions which he deliberately broke by doing exactly the same thing again.
He was taken back in front of the Judge who according to law sent him to prison for breaking the terms of his sentence and contempt of court.

He did it deliberately, he made sure it was all filmed by his supporters as he was arrested and put in to the police van.
think he was disappointed he didn't get sent down at the trial, he had to go back and do it again to make sure he got to prison.
Now he is a hero of the far right. It's his 'Beer Hall' moment.
 
[Not as mod] I think discussing rights as a function of philosophy might be off-topic for this thread. As would be the different meanings of the word "rights". And incidentally some politicians may well be philosophers or scientists as well as politicians.

We were discussing Tommy Robinson (he chose that name to glorify a football hooligan)r and his inability to act within the law.

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Robinson's arrest was not for filming, it was for breaching the conditions of his suspended sentence. If the judge in his earlier trial hadn't been so lenient to a man with a long criminal record, he'd have been in jail for contempt of court much sooner.

Being that that is the law and I’m sure he had to know it. Pretty stupid for him to get himself thrown in jail.
 
[Not as mod] I think discussing rights as a function of philosophy might be off-topic for this thread. As would be the different meanings of the word "rights". And incidentally some politicians may well be philosophers or scientists as well as politicians.

We were discussing Tommy Robinson (he chose that name to glorify a football hooligan) and his inability to act within the law.

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Robinson's arrest was not for filming, it was for breaching the conditions of his suspended sentence. If the judge in his earlier trial hadn't been so lenient to a man with a long criminal record, he'd have been in jail for contempt of court much sooner.

Despite you referencing that you are moderator (implying greater wisdom in interpreting thread deviation), I disagree with you.

The title of the thread is 'What has happened to the UK' NOT 'What has happened to Tom Robinson'. Tom Robinson appears to be an exemplar. This calls for a broader discussion of human rights as per the UK vs. constitutional rights applicable to citizens in the US. Or some other theoretical framework of rights.
 
When he was sentenced he was told that he would go to prison if he were to repeat the offence. He repeated the offence.

Personally, I am very happy that this violent, repeat offender is behind bars
 
Do you not have laws in your country that protect the identities of, for example, rape victims, or underage victims of crime?

It is customary in the U.S. for the press to voluntarily withhold those names, but it's not a crime if they don't.
 
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Being that that is the law and I’m sure he had to know it. Pretty stupid for him to get himself thrown in jail.

It was what he wanted.
A suspended sentence didn't give him his 'Beer Hall' moment. He needs to be in jail as a martyr for the cause and to increase his profile in the anti Muslim far right.
 
Despite you referencing that you are moderator (implying greater wisdom in interpreting thread deviation), I disagree with you.

The title of the thread is 'What has happened to the UK' NOT 'What has happened to Tom Robinson'. Tom Robinson appears to be an exemplar. This calls for a broader discussion of human rights as per the UK vs. constitutional rights applicable to citizens in the US. Or some other theoretical framework of rights.

Tom Robinson is a character in To Kill a Mockingbird. Tommy Robinson is the self-martyring right-wing thug who hates Muslims. Except Muslim girls of around 15; he likes to tweet flirty messages to them.
 
We have very similar laws here, not only can the name of the child be censored from the press, but indeed any means of identifying them indirectly, if so ordered by the court (and in some cases automatically eg family courts are all not allowed to be disclosed)

So even mentioning the accused can be an issue where any press reporting has to be sure not to cross the line, this can cause issues for reporters in smaller towns etc, where there may be only one major arrest in a week, if not longer, so for the local papers they have to tread very carefully, less so for national ones who can get away with something like "An accused father in a small country town was arrested", where the local paper there would still fall foul of being identifying the individual concerned, as he was the only one arrested...

Privacy laws are taken very strictly here, in comparison to the 'open slather' approach favoured by the USA

And of course there may be a variety of reasons for having certain aspects of a trial suppressed until a later date ;it is very rare for privacy provisions to be lifetime, usually it is until a minor comes of legal age (18) or until other aspects that caused the privacy clause to be enacted eg multiple defendants on separate trials over a period of time may have privacy clauses enacted until after all trials have been completed to prevent possible juror contamination from prior associated cases
 
Tom Robinson is a character in To Kill a Mockingbird. Tommy Robinson is the self-martyring right-wing thug who hates Muslims. Except Muslim girls of around 15; he likes to tweet flirty messages to them.
Actually he composed 'Glad to be Gay'.

Nice go at derailing.

What about responding to the argument and not being petty?
 
The British decided a few years ago that they were not going to let Germany and Sweden beat them in the race to become Europes first Islamic ********. That's what happened to the UK.

Yes and they are doing this cunningly by enforcing the rule of law.

That's the clever English for you.
 
Great fun watching (through quotes) a couple of Americans who have clearly never set foot outside their country, and probably not even their own state, giving us all the benefit of their knowledge of a country they have never visited, and haven't got the first clue about. ****-stirring is the usual term for this behaviour.
 
The British decided a few years ago that they were not going to let Germany and Sweden beat them in the race to become Europes first Islamic ********. That's what happened to the UK.

You are Tommy Robinson and I claim my £5
 

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