What happens if/when Qhaddafi falls?

[Undesired Walrus]

Certainly. I'm sure there are many. Besides, they might not want a Presidential system but a Parliamentary one.

 

[Darth Rotor]

We should instead send them German beer.

That is a blessing of the free world, is it not?

 

[Attiyah Zahdeh]

It IS only spelt one way- معمر القذافي

There are, however, several ways to TRANSLATE that....

معمر القذافي
The word معمر (Mu'ammar) means the one whose life is long.
The word al qazzafi القذافي (Qhaddafi) means the man who is so able to throw so much stones, arrows, missiles, bombs .. etc. on his enemies. In other terms, the word al qazzafi القذافي (Qhaddafi) means a great "Fighter-Bomber" jet plane. Thus, from the two meanings of معمر القذافي I expect that his resistance to agree to step down will continue a long time.

 

[egslim]

I think we should send some Constitutional scholars.

Why? If they ask for scholarly help, fine. But I doubt they will.

Writing a democratic constitution is not rocket science. What was an intellectually impressive document 200 years ago is now, with the benefit of two centuries of experience, widespread information technology and a multitude of historical examples a trivial exercise for an intelligent person.

You could start with a simple copy/translation of any existing constitution, and make a few modifications to account for local/modern conditions. There's not even any need to be original!

 

[leftysergeant]

With the municipal councils system they have in place already, it should not even be that hard to build one from the ground up.

When Gadafi falls, send the army back to the barracks and let the officers sort each other out. Keep the cabinet ministers at their posts unless someone brings specific charges against them. Then just let the councils elect a national assembly for the care-taker government and let the national assembly do their thing, with input from the still-serving cabinet ministers and such of them as may be called back from exille or prison.

They don't need us, and it would be stupid and arrogant to tell them they do.

And keep our banksters out of there. Our banking system is a sin to a true Muslim.

And keep the Bible-thumpers out.

 

[Caustic Logic]

Lefy, thanks for the insights. I for one fear that a nation operating as Libya does, so outside of world norms, is a prime reason Gaddafi has been targeted so obsessively over the years. I doubt they'll be allowed to keep much of their previous ways. Look for U.S. assistance all over, already, before this started. Secret agreements, ego-stroking, defectors, disinfo, Libyan Chalabis ... the bible thumpers might stay out, but the IMF? No way.

I'm hoping for an unexpected middle way to emerge - Gaddafi stepping down in favor of someone the actual Libyan people can embrace, but who isn't bought out. Otherwise it's down to, in essence, "Jihad vs. McWorld."

 

[leftysergeant]

Lefy, thanks for the insights. I for one fear that a nation operating as Libya does, so outside of world norms, is a prime reason Gaddafi has been targeted so obsessively over the years. I doubt they'll be allowed to keep much of their previous ways. Look for U.S. assistance all over, already, before this started.

We do not have PNAC conspirators yanking this president's chain like we had in 2001. I think he knows better than to meddle any more than the Libyans want us to. They already have a structure in place and they will knoow not to accept a Chalabi. We were only able to stick our Quisling into Iraq and Afghanistan because their infrastructure was totally wiped out or never existed.

Secret agreements, ego-stroking, defectors, disinfo, Libyan Chalabis ... the bible thumpers might stay out, but the IMF? No way.

If the infrastructure that existed prior to the uprising is not wiped out in a suicidal last stand by the old regime, I don't think that an oil-rich nation is going to have much time for IMF BS. They have had Muslim ideology drummed into them for 40 years. They are unlikely to get in bed with usurers. That is one Muslim tenet I would really love to see them hold fast to.

I'm hoping for an unexpected middle way to emerge - Gaddafi stepping down in favor of someone the actual Libyan people can embrace, but who isn't bought out. Otherwise it's down to, in essence, "Jihad vs. McWorld."

There is the great likelihood that they will have no great desire to go on a jihad. To some degree, Gadafi's meddling world-wide brought them to the stagte at which revolt was the only logical cure. Indeed, I do expect a more typically African solution emerge. They may be now at the point that Europe was in 1918, at least politically. They just have better technology at their disposal.

Leave them alone or provide only what they ask for, and they might actually become friends. Treat them like children who need our guidance and they may write their protest in dynamite.

 

[Mycroft]

If the infrastructure that existed prior to the uprising is not wiped out in a suicidal last stand by the old regime, I don't think that an oil-rich nation is going to have much time for IMF BS. They have had Muslim ideology drummed into them for 40 years. They are unlikely to get in bed with usurers. That is one Muslim tenet I would really love to see them hold fast to.

Why?

 

[Rolfe]

http://prosperoinc.blogspot.com/2011/03/gaddafi-lost-plots-loose-cannons.html

Rolfe.

 

[leftysergeant]

Why?

Because if they let the money-lenders in, they will soon be reduced to peonage paying interest on the loans. There is a good reason that all the Abrahamic religions consider usery a particularly heinous sin.

 

[Mycroft]

Because if they let the money-lenders in, they will soon be reduced to peonage paying interest on the loans. There is a good reason that all the Abrahamic religions consider usery a particularly heinous sin.

And yet most people consider access to credit to be an important financial tool. Is there something specific about Arabs that leads you to believe they're different in this regard, or do you feel it's bad for every government to borrow money?

 

[leftysergeant]

Interest-bearing loans are haram.

 

[Caustic Logic]

It's my understanding that this interest ban applies in Islam and the Arab world in general. Butt I'm quite hazy on it. Could anyone with the time and/or knowledge give us some insights, links, etc. to explain this?

Or is that too far OT? Because I predict, if we did it in Iraq and Afghanistan (hazy there as well), we'll try to do it in Libya. The interest (pun?) being shown in Washington to this strange situation is noteworthy. I don't buy the 'Obama is not PNAC' argument against designs on the new order there. He's president of the United States, after all.

The only operative part is the bolded. How hard will they try?

 

[Mycroft]

Interest-bearing loans are haram.

I'm quite aware of that, but that wasn't my question.