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What happens if/when Qhaddafi falls?

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I am very concerned about the idea of Qhaddafi falling. He seems to be the very fragile glue that holds that country together.

There appears to be no leadership to this uprising, which means no leadership when it eventually succeeds.

So what is gonna happen? Will the nation split up? Is it possible Egypt might annex part of it...or even the two nations become one?

(they are the same country, in the board game Risk :))
 
Clearly it is time for France to get off it's ass and start getting saddled up to do some serious nation building as soon as Kadaffy falls.

France has sat out Afghanistan and Iraq, mostly whining and throwing temper tantrums while the morally and legally challenged Chirac was in office.

Enough childish, selfish whining. Time for France to ante up. Follow in the U.S. footsteps in Iraq, only better. Be the world's whipping boy while simultaneously establishing a fledgeling democracy in Libya against seemingly insurmountable odds, with every bet on the "don't pass" line.

Show the Merkins how it's done.
 
Toontown said:
Clearly it is time for France to get off it's ass and start getting saddled up to do some serious nation building as soon as Kadaffy falls.

France has sat out Afghanistan and Iraq, mostly whining and throwing temper tantrums while the morally and legally challenged Chirac was in office.

Enough childish, selfish whining. Time for France to ante up. Follow in the U.S. footsteps in Iraq, only better. Be the world's whipping boy while simultaneously establishing a fledgeling democracy in Libya against seemingly insurmountable odds, with every bet on the "don't pass" line.

Show the Merkins how it's done.
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Just to let you know, I was involved in some interesting stuff involving operations in Afghanistan that included working with some French commandos. In 2004. Also some stuff involving French strike aircraft, in Afghan airspace.

The French didn't sit out Afghanistan, though they didn't come in the numbers the Brits did, for example ...

But I'd love to see the French help out in Libyia, if they are welcome. Look at how swimmingly their help for Lebanon worked out back in the early eighties :eek: ... wait a minute, they did a better job in Chad, early 80's. :cool:
 
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Darth Rotor said:
Just to let you know, I was involved in some interesting stuff involving operations in Afghanistan that included working with some French commandos. In 2004. Also some stuff involving French strike aircraft, in Afghan airspace.

The French didn't sit out Afghanistan, though they didn't come in the numbers the Brits did, for example ...

But I'd love to see the French help out in Libyia, if they are welcome. Look at how swimmingly their help for Lebanon worked out back in the early eighties :eek: ... wait a minute, they did a better job in Chad, early 80's. :cool:
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I'm far from certain the French would be welcome in that region. The Algerians might decide to seize the perceived opportunity to get even with them.

I'm not exactly thrilled about any U.S. involvement either, given the reactions to our previous liberation operations, not to mention the empty coffers. Maybe we should just let the chips fall where they may and deal with the random outcome. Two decades of caterwauling monkeys has been quite enough for me. Besides, any U.S. involvement on the ground would be marketed and sold by the trainload as imperialist intervention.

But I'm retired, so you guys go ahead and do what you think is best.
 
It IS only spelt one way- معمر القذافي

There are, however, several ways to TRANSLATE that....
 
A few years back, I remember a documentary on TV about how the daily affairs of Libya were run. Most local matters are handled by community council, womenand men alike having input. How realisticly that was reported, I can't say for sure, but that is a good thing.

Reportedly, the average Libyan is reasonably well-educated. This may prove crucial to how well they can restore order.

The sort of Islam that Gadafi practiced and fostered in Libya was not as extremist as Wahabism, nor do I see Wahabism gaining a very strong foothold since they do not have a meddling foreign power to blame for the chaos.

Let's keep it that way. Let's not do anything other than what they ask us to do, if even that.

And keep the damned IMF out of there. When the interest on loans catches up with them and enslaves them anew there will be hell to pay.

It seems to me that greed and usury are as harshly condemnned in the Qur'an as are sexual license and drunkenness.
 
The city councils have managed to agree on a head of state for a care-taker government. Democracy is working already.

Let's stay the hell out of their way.

If they need food and medical assistance, it should be handed to them with no strings, no short-term, interest-bearing loans, no damned ecconomists from Chicago to show them how to "rebuild."

And no Christian missionaries, even medical, recieving American government subsidies. I think we learned that in Afghanistan.
 
I think we should send some Constitutional scholars to Egypt & Libya and help them create a constitutional representative democracy.

sure, it will have an Islamic flavor, but that's their choice.
 
Thunder said:
I think we should send some Constitutional scholars to Egypt & Libya and help them create a constitutional representative democracy.

sure, it will have an Islamic flavor, but that's their choice.
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Are there no constitutional scholars in Egypt or Libya?
 
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