Split Thread What happened to Flight 93?

RedIbis said:
Great challenge. Do I have to match the seat color as well?
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Grr. :hb:

Are you afraid of what you might find out if you researched similar crashes? I even gave you two examples as a hint about what one might expect to find in a such a crash.

You see, RedIbis, you truthers have a habit of arguing from ignorance as well as arguing from incredulity. I'm trying to get you past that, and into actual reserach of similar circumstances...evidence, in other words. An unbiased mind would accept that similar crashes have produced similar damage as United 93. This is obviously not something you are willing to accept. As to why, I have my own theory, but that's a topic of another thread.
 
RedIbis said:
What I've gotten so far is that it managed to simultaneously bury itself and break up into tiny pieces while leaving behind no soil contamination and not burning any of the grass around the rim.
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Which, ironically, is also the problem with the theory that the crash site was fabricated.

But of course, you know this.
 
johnny karate said:
Well, clearly Red believes the eyewitnesses, first responders, and crash scene investigators were part of the cover up to make the world believe an airplane crashed where in fact one did not.

But then again, he also thinks the FDNY are part the elaborate WTC7 conspiracy (that bunch of shills insist it was the fires that caused its collapse!). He also thinks Turner Construction was responsible for prepping the controlled demolition of WTC1 and WTC2. This, despite the fact that Turner Construction isn't even in the controlled demolition industry.

So the madness goes deeper than you might have first suspected.

ETA: RedIbis' caption for the above photo: "Three accomplices to mass murder stand over the faked crash site they will soon be lying to the world about."
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We can safely assume that if an escaped lunatic willing to test the soil had been available, RedIbis would have claimed that the test results were faked.

An interesting point (to me, at least): Show these "truthers" a photo of a serial-numbered part and they dismiss it as insignificant. Show them two serial-numbered parts, and they are also insignificant. Ditto for three. Show them four serial-numbered parts, and they are planted fakes.

There is no number between "too few" and "too many."
 
regarding flight 93's fuel

ETA and while we are at it, Human remains

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/flight93page1
Excerpts from "Courage After the Crash: Flight 93" by Glenn J. Kashurba. SAJ Publishing, 2002.

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King: "We stopped and I opened the door. The smell of jet fuel was overpowering. I will never forget that smell; it is really burnt into my mind. ...I walked down the power line and got my first glimpse of human remains. Then I walked a little further and saw more."
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Homeland Insurgency said:
What happened to flight 93?

I don't know Red.

And apparently by the looks of this thread neither do the debunkers.

Who would have thunk it?
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Perhaps you missed the 10 pages packed full of posts in this here thread explaining what happened. You must have every sane person here set on ignore.
 
aggle-rithm said:
I think what he was trying to say is that there are no pictures showing ALL of the debris, and pictures showing SOME of the debris are proof that there is no more debris than what the pictures show.
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Ergo, if it isn't photographed, it doesn't exist. :D
 
Bottom line is this:

It's POSSIBLE that the crash was faked, complete with the remains of passengers from the missing plane and fabricated phone calls.

However, it would have been SO much easier to simply hijack a plane and crash it into the ground.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Bottom line is this:

It's POSSIBLE that the crash was faked, complete with the remains of passengers from the missing plane and fabricated phone calls.

However, it would have been SO much easier to simply hijack a plane and crash it into the ground.
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According to Dr. George Papcun, it wasn't possible to fabricate the phone calls. The "truthers" are so incredibly wrong that it's hard to cut them any slack.
 
FineWine said:
According to Dr. George Papcun, it wasn't possible to fabricate the phone calls. The "truthers" are so incredibly wrong that it's hard to cut them any slack.
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Aggle's just trying to be generous; he's every bit as aware of the truther fallacy train as any of us here.

And in a sense, he is correct: It is indeed possible to perform a fakery of each individual element of the story. A hole is no problem to dig. Aircraft debris can be gotten from "boneyards". People can be killed and their remains planted elsewhere. And voices can be simulated, given enough time.

But... while Aggle is right in admitting that individual elements can be faked individually, he's also right about it being "SO much easier" to actually commit the crash as it stood. His point is that the devil is in the details, and anyone crying "faked evidence" has either glossed over or hasn't even considered the difficulty in actually faking the evidence. Dig a hole? Okay... but how is that going to be done ahead of time without anyone noticing? Think "they" (fill in the blank with whichever devious organization you want) just planted dynamite at the sight and faked 1. A plane flying over, and 2. The burning of the treeline at the crash site while they blew a hole into the ground? Or did they resort to more mundane methods, such as backhoes? If so, where are the 1. Tracks in photos of the crash site, and 2. Area residents who saw the equipment being trucked in?

Aircraft debris? Sure... but, now make sure it's all from one jet, and somehow transport it there without anyone noticing (contrary to RedIbis's whine about a single dumpsteri, 95% of the jet was recovered and returned to United Airlines, so that 95% had to be gotten there somehow. Unless truthers are claiming stealth trucks, it's reasonable to ask why no area residents saw this, put two-and-two together, and ran to the press). Oh, and make sure it's in exceptionally tiny pieces and bury a good deal of it 15-some-odd feet into the ground. While you're at it, fake the flight data recorder info to place the jet in that area, as well as the cockpit voice recorder's recordings to fake a hijacking as well as a passenger revolt.

Kill the passengers? How'd they get all of them from the airports they were last seen at to wherever they were executed at without anyone spilling the beans? Let alone to the Shanksville site to spread their remains around the scene? On top of that, who's responsible for strewing the body parts all across the crash site without area residents noticing? Not a single Shanksville resident has come forwards to testify to unknown people prepping the crash site.

Voice simulation? Here's where Papcun's rebuttal comes into play. And he's 100% right about that too.

While we're at all of this, who managed to fool the eyewitnesses, separately change all the radar recordings, and separately from that pay off or otherwise convince every single first responder to not blow the story?

Yes, this is obvious. But that was exactly Aggle-rithm's point: It's indeed entirely possible to fake things. But good luck putting it all together and keeping uninvolved people from noticing.

That's yet another in the long line of reasons why conspiracy fantasy is bunk.


i. The famous "single dumpster" was not the totality of the debris. Its origin is a single image of debris that didn't fill up a dumpster brought for recovery purposes. What truthers do is insist on an image to "prove" aircraft debris, then claim incredulity that an entire passenger jet doesn't even fill a scrap dumpster. The reality they gloss over is that this was what was collected after the final recovery sweep, conducted when a passing storm shook debris out of trees nearby. Of course it didn't fill the dumpster. It was also nowhere near the totality of the wreckage.
 
Boy, it's almost like RedIbis has given up here. I'm not keeping track or anything, but so far Red has:

  • refused to acknowledge that other high speed crash scenes were very similar to flight 93's.(still waiting on acceptance of my challenge, Red, and no you dont have to match seat color)
  • refused to contact the EPA for clarification on the fuel contamination.
  • refused to acknowledge DNA, flight data recorder, radar data and other physical evidence.
  • refused to contact United Airlines about having possesion of 95% of flight 93 in storage.
  • refused to respond to eyewitness and first responder statements about fuel, body parts and aircraft debris.
  • refused to offer an alternative explanation which explains his supposed "smoking guns".
It's almost as if RedIbis is just as blisfully ignorant as any other of our resident trolls here. Come on Red, you have the floor, how could this level of deception have possibly been pulled off? Why do you refuse to answer our questions when we fall all over ourselves to answer yours?

You wanted to talk about this topic, don't run away now. :run:
 
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BenBurch said:
apathoid, I have placed him on ignore. You should too. We all should. Elvis has left the building.
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It's only fair as he's ignoring us, right? But I figured I'd give him one last chance to step up to the plate....yeah, I'd have better luck drawing blood from a turnip.
 
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