What Gravity Is

[Reality Check]

Problems with the model:

1. No gravitational force on a mass at rest.
2. A frictional force on a body in motion.
3. No force between masses at rest.
4. A repulsive force between masses in motion (the grid particles are denser outside the masses, so denser between the masses, the force is spring-like and so the force is trying to push back between the masses).
5. Objects in orbits are in motion through the grid. Thus they feel a force as they "push" through the grid. But this is not seen. No gravity is experienced by objects in orbit.
6. Is the force directional, i.e. in the direction of the object velocity?

 

[martu]

E

E

E = m to the power of D multiplied by c to the power of D - 1

0 = 0 * 0 c and m undefined
1 = 0 * 0 c zero no movement undefined m undefined
2 = 0 * c c as Grid exists m zero as no matter exists
3 = m * c squared c squared as this is the area of the maximum square in the grid c is the length of two sides, m is direction
4 = m squared times c cubed c cubed as it’s a growth in volume, m squared as effectively m grows in relation to the expansion of the grid

Black Hole
Area of grid where the largest square exists in the grid all particles in that area are moving in the same direction

Dark Matter
Volumes where the grid is distorted it has been stretched

 

[Reality Check]

E

E = m to the power of D multiplied by c to the power of D - 1

0 = 0 * 0 c and m undefined
1 = 0 * 0 c zero no movement undefined m undefined
2 = 0 * c c as Grid exists m zero as no matter exists
3 = m * c squared c squared as this is the area of the maximum square in the grid c is the length of two sides, m is direction
4 = m squared times c cubed c cubed as it’s a growth in volume, m squared as effectively m grows in relation to the expansion of the grid

Black Hole
Area of grid where the largest square exists in the grid all particles in that area are moving in the same direction

Dark Matter
Volumes where the grid is distorted it has been stretched

Your equations are nonsense except for 3 (E = mc²)
E = energy and energy has the units of mass * velocity squared.

What you meant is
0: E= mc²1: E = mc²2: E = mc²3: E = mc²4: E = mc²

 

[martu]

The Numbers

0 is undefined nothing exists
1 is a point the smallest thing that can exist
The difference between 0 and 1 is the smallest slice of time
2 is a line. A line exists in a plane
3 is a volume
4 is a volume expanding
∞ is the largest thing that can exist as defined by the volume expansion.

Garlic bread and salad?
Yes.

 

[Reality Check]

0 is undefined nothing exists
1 is a point the smallest thing that can exist
The difference between 0 and 1 is the smallest slice of time
2 is a line. A line exists in a plane
3 is a volume
4 is a volume expanding
∞ is the largest thing that can exist as defined by the volume expansion.

Garlic bread and salad?
Yes.

No: Simple geometry:
0 = a point (0 dimensional space)
1 = a line (1 dimensional space)
2 = a plane (2 dimensional space)
3 = a sphere (3 dimensional space)
4 = a hypersphere (4 dimensional space)
5 = a 5 dimensional space
6 = a 6 dimensional space
∞ = a infinite dimension space.

 

[Paul]

So you're just going to start being deliberately silly now?

 

[martu]

The Riemann hypothesis

The answer to The Riemann hypothesis is ∞, the largest hypervolume of the Grid

 

[Reality Check]

The answer to The Riemann hypothesis is ∞, the largest hypervolume of the Grid

Yoiu are going to be silly!

 

[LordoftheLeftHand]

Why don't you show us some of this with an example. As I said before I'm not a physicist but let me at least try to present a situation and you walk us through the solution. Let's suppose the example of a 8kg bowling ball and a 6kg bowling ball (both at rest) on a frictionless table here on Earth, 1 meter apart. What is the force between them? Will they meet? Where will they meet? How long will it take?

LLH

 

[martu]

F= m/r is not a spring. A spring is F = kr.
In 3D does your formula become F= m²/r², i.e. the Newtonian gravitational force between 2 masses of mass m with G = 1?

Thus this is not logically sound.

Forget springs just think that F is effectively the likely direction an atom will move in. In 2D this is m/r.

In 3D if G is 1 then yes F is of course m²/r² as both masses are moving towards each other therefore they move in a straight line towards each other where m is defining the direction for each mass and they speed up as they get closer together proportional to r².

 

[martu]

Your equations are nonsense except for 3 (E = mc²)
E = energy and energy has the units of mass * velocity squared.

What you meant is
0: E= mc²1: E = mc²2: E = mc²3: E = mc²4: E = mc²

No I meant what I wrote - the numbers correspond to D as defined earlier. Thus you can work out E for any D by using the formula as above. This also links E to F and if you have E and F you can define a a 3D volume as you know where every piece of matter in the Grid is going to go.

Do you want to know what the prime numbers are?

 

[nathan]

What about rotating objects. If this viscous medium is real, won't they slow down?

Also, as this viscous medium is a cubic grid, it implies that an object traveling along one of the axes will be subject to different forces than one traveling diagonally. This difference should be detectable, shouldn't it? So there's now anisotropy involved. Any observation of that anisotropy?

 

[martu]

The Dimensions

Reality is fundamentally the relationships between numbers, at the heart of this relationship there are constants. To know the state of a system you need to know 3 things

• The starting state of the system
• How many things there are
• Where things are going

The dimension defines the behaviour of the system. The direction in a dimension D can be calculated by:

F = G^D-2 * m^D-1/r^D-1
When D-x < 0 then the constant is undefined.

The maximum speed of the system is defined as:

E=m^D-2 * c^D-1

When Dimension = 0

If D = 0 then nothing exists, the very idea of movement or space is undefined

When Dimension = 1

If D = 1 then a single point can exist, movement or space is still undefined

When Dimension = 2

If D = 2 then a line can exists, a line lives in a plane.

To calculate the direction of a line use this formula:

F = m/r

Energy is a ‘wave’ in the Grid, effectively a procession of Grid lines expanding and contracting. The largest wave in the 2D Grid is defined as:

E = 1 * c

Where c is the largest line in the Grid as defined by the dimensions in the Grid.

How to think of movement? Well no mass exists so there is nothing that influences the Grid so you can consider movement as being a point moving from one area of the grid to another as defined by a line.

Phenomena in 2D

An area of the Grid which isn’t uniform is what we would call 2D Dark Matter, the Grid is warped. If the sides of the square equal c then we have a Black Hole – all matter will tend towards this area.

When Dimension = 3

If D = 3 then matter can exists, matter lives in a volume.

To calculate the direction that matter is moving use this formula:

F = G * m²/r²
Where G is matter. You can consider m² to the area of the largest side of the cube, this is the area the matter is likely to move to. The change is proportional to r² as we are comparing areas, in 2D we were comparing lines.

Energy is a ‘wave’ in the Grid, effectively a procession of Grid areas expanding and contracting. This wave creates movement for matter in the volume. The largest wave in the Grid is defined as:

E = mc²
Where c is the largest line in the Grid as defined by the dimensions in the Grid.

How to think of movement? Well a piece of matter can only occupy one volume in the Grid. A piece of matter moves if you goes from one volume to another. A slice of time is a snapshot of the Grid where each particles that exists is in a volume. Matter tends towards the largest areas in the grid.

Phenomena in 3D

A volume of the Grid which isn’t uniform is what we call Dark Matter, the Grid is warped. If the sides of the cube equal c then we have a Black Hole – all matter will tend towards this area.

 

[Reality Check]

All wrong once again. One of these days you really must read some of the posts on this thread. Once more time (maybe you will read this, maybe you will understand this):

For spaces with a dimension of D:
When D = 0 a point can be defined.
When D = 1 a line can be defined.
When D = 2 a plane can be defined.
When D = 3 a sphere can be defined.

F is not a direction. It is the usual gravitational force between 2 masses of mass m when D = 3. It is total nonsense when D is not 3.

E is not a speed. It is the equivalent energy of the mass m when D = 3. It is total nonsense when D is not 3.

The rest of the post is just weird.

 

[Reality Check]

No I meant what I wrote - the numbers correspond to D as defined earlier. Thus you can work out E for any D by using the formula as above. This also links E to F and if you have E and F you can define a a 3D volume as you know where every piece of matter in the Grid is going to go.

Do you want to know what the prime numbers are?

I know what prime numbers are. I also know what the Riemann hypothesis is ("The real part of any non-trivial zero of the Riemann zeta function is ½") and why it has nothing to do with this thread. Do you?

The number D are the dimensions of the space and as I just replied:

For spaces with a dimension of D:
When D = 0 a point can be defined.
When D = 1 a line can be defined.
When D = 2 a plane can be defined.
When D = 3 a sphere can be defined.

F is not a direction. It is the usual gravitational force between 2 masses of mass m when D = 3. It is total nonsense when D is not 3.

E is not a speed. It is the equivalent energy of the mass m when D = 3. It is total nonsense when D is not 3.

Have you solved these problems with your model:

1. No gravitational force on a mass at rest.
2. A frictional force on a body in motion.
3. No force between masses at rest.
4. A repulsive force between masses in motion (the grid particles are denser outside the masses, so denser between the masses, the force is spring-like and so the force is trying to push back between the masses).
5. Objects in orbits are in motion through the grid. Thus they feel a force as they "push" through the grid. But this is not seen. No gravity is experienced by objects in orbit.
6. Is the force directional, i.e. in the direction of the object velocity?

I suggest that you start with number 1 and tell me what your model predicts for the force by the grid on a mass at rest. It looks like zero to me but maybe you can prove otherwise.

 

[Reality Check]

Forget springs just think that F is effectively the likely direction an atom will move in. In 2D this is m/r.

In 3D if G is 1 then yes F is of course m²/r² as both masses are moving towards each other therefore they move in a straight line towards each other where m is defining the direction for each mass and they speed up as they get closer together proportional to r².

Wrong again.
F is a force. m/r is not a direction. And you have introduced gravitational force once again into your grid (which is supposed to be "what gravity is" not a repeat of Newton's law of gravity).

You also need to prove that the masses move toward each other. Why do they not move apart? Why do they not move in parallel?

Wow another error: "F is of course m²/r²" is of course Newton's law of gravity when 2 masses are equal and G = 1. This means that your model only works for objects with equal masses!

Double wow: another error - 'm' is mass not direction!

If you want to use direction in an equation then use vector notation (hard to do in a forum though). If you want to use a distance in an equation then use r (the distance from a point). This is the standard notation. You may have seen this in physics textbooks (or maybe not).

 

[martu]

I know what prime numbers are. I also know what the Riemann hypothesis is ("The real part of any non-trivial zero of the Riemann zeta function is ½") and why it has nothing to do with this thread. Do you?

The number D are the dimensions of the space and as I just replied:



Have you solved these problems with your model:

1. No gravitational force on a mass at rest.
2. A frictional force on a body in motion.
3. No force between masses at rest.
4. A repulsive force between masses in motion (the grid particles are denser outside the masses, so denser between the masses, the force is spring-like and so the force is trying to push back between the masses).
5. Objects in orbits are in motion through the grid. Thus they feel a force as they "push" through the grid. But this is not seen. No gravity is experienced by objects in orbit.
6. Is the force directional, i.e. in the direction of the object velocity?

I suggest that you start with number 1 and tell me what your model predicts for the force by the grid on a mass at rest. It looks like zero to me but maybe you can prove otherwise.

A single mass in a uniform Grid will experience a gravitational force (or more acurately no direction or movement) of 0 yes. What would cause it to move exactly?

 

[martu]

Wrong again.
F is a force. m/r is not a direction.

Can you describe to me fundamentally what F is without using equations?

I am telling you it's the direction matter will tend to move to. Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

 

[martu]

Why don't you show us some of this with an example. As I said before I'm not a physicist but let me at least try to present a situation and you walk us through the solution. Let's suppose the example of a 8kg bowling ball and a 6kg bowling ball (both at rest) on a frictionless table here on Earth, 1 meter apart. What is the force between them? Will they meet? Where will they meet? How long will it take?

LLH

Sure.

Don’t think about force just think about what direction all the atoms in the balls tend towards. On the surface of the Earth the grid is most distorted by the Earth itself therefore the direction of the atoms will be towards the centre of the Earth*, the centre of the Earth is where the largest distortion of the Grid is. So if all the atoms of the balls are tending towards the centre of the Earth the objects will be stationary on the table. Unless you give them a push.

Does this help?

*of course in reality we have the influence of the Moon, the Sun, the Planets etc on the Grid which have to be taken into account to get an accurate reading.

 

[martu]

I know what prime numbers are. I also know what the Riemann hypothesis is ("The real part of any non-trivial zero of the Riemann zeta function is ½") and why it has nothing to do with this thread. Do you?

Primes are the transformations using the Zeta function which result in zero's on the imaginary landscape. You can think of the imaginary landscape as time. When time increases (the volume of the grid expands) another zero on the line is added - another prime number is ‘created’.

I assumed you knew the definition I am telling you where they come from.