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What does "Zionist" mean anyway?

1337m4n

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"Truthers" use the term "Zionist" interchangeably with "Jew"; you can't tell the difference. I get the feeling they're butchering the ACTUAL definition of the word.

Which got me wondering: What IS the actual definition of the word?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zionist

Merriam Webster said:
Main Entry:
Zi·on·ism Listen to the pronunciation of Zionism
Pronunciation:
\ˈzī-ə-ˌni-zəm\
Function:
noun
Date:
1896

: an international movement originally for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel
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Hmmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Wikipedia said:
Zionism is an international political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People in Palestine (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra'el, “the Land of Israel”), and continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel.
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You know, I wasn't able to find anything in there about a massive conspiracy to take over the world.

But surely "THEY" have edited Wikipedia to keep that information out.

In any case, it seems "Zionist" can simply refer to anyone who supports Israel's right to exist as we know it...Hardly something that you could make a Vast Conspiracy(tm) out of, as two people who support Israel's right to exist could easily disagree on just about every other political issue.

Makes me wonder just what "Truthers" are telling themselves it means.
 
Zionist means Jews who want to take over the world and install a jew-supremacist autocracy.

=)
 
in all honesty, the term Zionist should have become outdated the day Israel was established. it really just means someone who supports the continued existance of the jewish state.
 
From what I've observed of CTists on this forum, "Zionist" can be defined as "Any Jewish person with financial or political influence, real or imagined, or any Jewish person I personally dislike or need to discredit."

"Zionist Sympathiser" is "Any non-Jewish person who disagrees with me, or any non-Jewish person I personally dislike or need to discredit."
 
At the risk of injecting any seriousness where it's not wanted, there are still useful distinctions to be made with the term - there are some ultra-orthodox Jews, for example, who are opposed to 'political' zionism for religious reasons.
 
Confuseling said:
At the risk of injecting any seriousness where it's not wanted, there are still useful distinctions to be made with the term - there are some ultra-orthodox Jews, for example, who are opposed to 'political' zionism for religious reasons.
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true zionists can be traced to back to the zealot tribe. back in the times of the tribes of israel.
 
"Zionist" is a word used by Antisemites who want to conceal their antisemitism. It is probably most accurately translated as "filthy Jew" as simply "Jew" doesn't express the blatant racism and bigotry inherent in the way the word is used.

On this note, anyone ever seen this video before? Is it a parody?

 
ronpaulisright said:
true zionists can be traced to back to the zealot tribe. back in the times of the tribes of israel.
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Ron Paul is a devout Pythagorean revivalist. His sole intent is to replace the US constitution with the following rules:

Ron Paul's manifesto said:
1. To abstain from beans.

2. Not to pick up what has fallen.

3. Not to touch a white cock.

4. Not to break bread.

5. Not to step over a crossbar.

6. Not to stir the fire with iron.

7. Not to eat from a whole loaf.

8. Not to pluck a garland.

9. Not to sit on a quart measure.

10. Not to eat the heart.

11. Not to walk on highways.

12. Not to let swallows share one's roof.

13. When the pot is taken off the fire, not to leave the mark of it in the ashes, but to stir them together.

14. Do not look in a mirror beside a light.

15. When you rise from the bedclothes, roll them together and smooth out the impress of the body.
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Do you see how this works - or to be slightly more precise, doesn't work - if we don't have to bring any evidence?
 
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Good post 1337. I was thinking about exactly this last night before I saw your post weirdly enough. As far as I can make out, Truthers use it to mean any Jewish person in any position of influence in any area.
 
gumboot said:
"Zionist" is a word used by Antisemites who want to conceal their antisemitism. It is probably most accurately translated as "filthy Jew" as simply "Jew" doesn't express the blatant racism and bigotry inherent in the way the word is used.

On this note, anyone ever seen this video before? Is it a parody?

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It's new to me, Andrew, but if it's a parody, it's been done seriously before. This is the whole Justin Raimondo bit.

Knowing the nutbars I am sure I would have heard about Dylan being a Jew by now if there were anything to it. That's certainly new.
 
gumboot said:
"Zionist" is a word used by Antisemites who want to conceal their antisemitism. It is probably most accurately translated as "filthy Jew" as simply "Jew" doesn't express the blatant racism and bigotry inherent in the way the word is used.

On this note, anyone ever seen this video before? Is it a parody?

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Just like anyone who is critical of Israel is an anti-semite, right? Give me a break. Zionism is a racist and militant belief system that some Jews have. It's the whole Jacob vs his brother in the OT. They believe that everything they do is inherently right, and that they cannot trust anyone who isn't a Jew.

I'm not racist, I don't have Jews, but I cannot agree with the politics of Israel. The entire formation of Israel as a state should never have happened and has only caused massive pain and suffering for both the Arabs and the Jews.

Israel hasn't adhered to the original outlined agreement for what land they were to control, and until they pull back peace will never happen. The Zionists are the settlers and those on the far right in Israeli politics.
 
hamelekim said:
Just like anyone who is critical of Israel is an anti-semite, right? Give me a break. Zionism is a racist and militant belief system that some Jews have. It's the whole Jacob vs his brother in the OT. They believe that everything they do is inherently right, and that they cannot trust anyone who isn't a Jew.

I'm not racist, I don't have Jews, but I cannot agree with the politics of Israel. The entire formation of Israel as a state should never have happened and has only caused massive pain and suffering for both the Arabs and the Jews.

Israel hasn't adhered to the original outlined agreement for what land they were to control, and until they pull back peace will never happen. The Zionists are the settlers and those on the far right in Israeli politics.
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This is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

First off, modern (i.e. nineteenth century and onward) Zionism began as a SECULAR movement - and secular parties have been in control all along - so imputing Biblical motives to the movement is laughable. The Jewish connection to the land of Israel goes back pretty darn far, irrespective of what the Bible has to say.

And we'll just ignore the massive, hulking, putrid pile of festering straw that composes the rest of your description of Zionism. Militant? None of the thousands of Zionists I know are militant, unless you count a willingness to take steps to prevent one's own violent death "militant". In which case, so are you. Now it's a meaningless term.

Can't trust anyone but Jews? What kind of insanity is that? Why expend all that time and effort toward the Balfour Declaration, the UN partition plan, or anything else if you can't trust anyone anyway? You've never actually met a Zionist, have you?

Quit wallowing in anti-Israel propaganda and read some real history. The Zionist leadership was all set to abide by the terms of the UN partition plan. It seems, however, that a bunch of armies invaded when they tried to implement the plan. For some reason, the neighbors were upset that the vote didn't go their way in the UN, and they decided to defy said UN and wipe out the nascent Israel. But according to you, that was somehow Israel's fault for not adhering to an "agreement for what land they were supposed to control."

No, my friend, the "Zionists" are not only those on the far right of the Israeli political spectrum. The Zionists are anyone who maintains that Israel should remain primarily a Jewish state, and that's a hell of a lot more than
"the settlers and those on the far right in Israeli politics." It's everyone not on the far left of Israeli politics.
 
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omg you dont even know what Zionist's are???????
Mount Zion...... Jerusalem?
and its oc not a word used by antisemites to not say Jews.
 
ronpaulisright said:
true zionists can be traced to back to the zealot tribe. back in the times of the tribes of israel.
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Reuben
Simeon
Levi
Judah
Dan
Naphtali
Gad
Asher
Issachar
Zebulun
Joseph
Benjamin

Hrm... no "Zealot" tribe there...
 
gumboot said:
It is friggen so.
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the only ones that i see bringing up Israel and or judaism on this forum is you debunkers.

i find that very suspect.
and you seem not even informed about Israel / Palestina
 
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